[GSA Council] Two thirds majority

[gretchen k]

Hey Keroles--

I stand by the vote of Oct 9th as it was recorded in the minutes. It was
adopted by two-thirds.

Also, no other Councillors have suggested last night's vote on 6.1 was
unclear. Not at the meeting, nor since.

Hello Councillors--

Nothing has changed about the way abstention votes are treated. If you find
abstention votes or vote tallying is unclear, please let me know so we can
make space to talk about this at January Council.

Thanks!

--gretchen



On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:53 PM, <kokokrkrkero at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The text I forwarded does refer to two thirds as well (in red).. And I am
> fairly certain this was how it was done with exec bursery. The issue is
> that it is you word against mine and untill council decide to record things
> properly, there are no way to verify.
>
> Again, what abstention means was not clear. It definitely wasn't clear to
> me, and in my mind that is sufficient. But obviously there other members
> that it wasn't clear to such as leili and rebal.
>
> I am sure if you asked more people, you will get some more.
>
> Ty
> Kero
> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
> ------------------------------
> *From: * gretchen k <gbayou at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:48:35 -0500
> *To: *Kero Riad<kokokrkrkero at yahoo.com>
> *Cc: *leili astaneh<astaneh.leili at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [GSA Council] Two thirds majority
>
> hey we are talking about two different types of votes tallies MAJORITY vs
> TWO-THIRDS.
>
> 1) *majority *votes are counted as always, for , against, abstentions. to
> be considered 50%+1, the votes For and Against are compared, with
> abstentions not considered.
>
> 2) for GSA bylaw amendments which require *2/3 vote* of the members
> present (as stated in bylaw), the For votes are divided by the total number
> of the members present. For the total of members present, we do *not*
> consider how they voted, rather we only consider the total number of
> members present.
>
> nothing has changed in tallying practice and nothing has been done wrong
> "for a long time" .... thx.
>
> -g-
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM, <kokokrkrkero at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gretchen,
>> So I am forwarding Leili's impression. You will also recall that ribal
>> was also helping me find the rules for abstention in council. And I was
>> surprised abstentions counted. So again I highly suspect everyone (well
>> clearly not everyone) was clear on how abstention work
>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * leili astaneh <astaneh.leili at gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:48:26 -0800
>> *To: *Keroles Riad<k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
>> *Subject: *Re: [GSA Council] Two thirds majority
>>
>> Nice! So we were not counting right for along time !!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 19, 2014, Keroles Riad <k_riad at encs.concordia.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In Question 6 on the official Roberts rules site (
>>> http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html):
>>>
>>> *Question 6:*
>>> *Do abstention votes count?*
>>> *Answer:*
>>> The phrase “abstention votes” is an oxymoron, an abstention being a
>>> refusal to vote. To abstain means to refrain from voting, and, as a
>>> consequence, there can be no such thing as an “abstention vote.”
>>> In the usual situation, *where either a majority vote or a two-thirds
>>> vote is required, abstentions have absolutely no effect on the outcome of
>>> the vote since what is required is either a majority or two thirds of the
>>> votes cast.* On the other hand, if the vote required is a majority or
>>> two thirds of the members *present*, or a majority or two thirds of the
>>> entire membership, an abstention will have the same effect as a “no” vote.
>>> Even in such a case, however, an abstention is not a vote and is not
>>> counted as a vote. [RONR (11th ed.), p. 400, ll. 7-12; p. 401, ll.
>>> 8-11; p. 403, ll. 13-24; see also p. 66 of RONRIB.]
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Keroles Riad
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