From iamturnip at gmail.com Thu Jan 4 20:39:15 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 20:39:15 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] meeting agenda In-Reply-To: <459601C1.30400@seanhill.ca> References: <459601C1.30400@seanhill.ca> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701042039u1aea630fj34fd319ba3bd1cf@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone! Thanks Sean for reminding us of an agenda. Here is what a purpose. 1) Free Geek update including: - Workgroup updates - Update on location search - What does our early financial picture look like... fundraising... capital? - What sort of donations have already been received? What has been given out? - What publicity have we managed to get and what are we seeking? Events we could attend? 2) Free Geek and the E.R.A.A. 3) David's talk with Paul Remillard from the GVRD 4) Free Geek and Encorp 5) Linux clinic - when, how, who Am I missing anything? I am sure the above topics will keep us takling for awhile. -- David Repa 604-690-7372 From sean.brookes at contentsolutions.ca Sun Jan 7 17:09:53 2007 From: sean.brookes at contentsolutions.ca (Sean Brookes) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:09:53 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location Message-ID: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> Someone just sent me this link on Craigslist: (http://vancouver.craigslist.org/off/258790429.html) 3000ft? - Space available near Main and Hastings ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Reply to: hous-258790429 at craigslist.org Date: 2007-01-06, 8:35PM PST I have space available on the ground and first floors of a 2-storey commercial/mixed use building. The building in question is located near Main and Hastings. If you are familiar with the area you will know that it has seen better times but is improving and will continue to do so in the lead up to the Olympics. The property consists of a retail space on the ground floor with additional space on the floor above, each floor being approximately 25 feet wide and 120 feet deep. The property is in need of repair and renovation. I am more interested in seeing the building put to good use by someone reliable and responsible (someone who is willing to clean the place up, make the necessary repairs and pay their rent on time) than in squeezing every possible dollar out of the situation. I would consider renting either one or both floors on a short or long-term basis. If you are interested, or if you know an individual or organization that would benefit from the use of a premises such as this, please contact Michael. Main at Hastings google map yahoo map I don't know if it is big enough, but it might be a start..... cheers SeanB From iamturnip at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 17:43:32 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:43:32 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Jan 5,2007 Minutes Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701071743x2cdb0c0dk59c562bcb8e455de@mail.gmail.com> These notes are an edited version that graeme sent me. Please excuse any formatting errors. OpenOffice and are going to meet at the bike racks after school! Jan 5, 2007 FG Meeting Minutes Special Guest Star - jeff from Free Geek Portland "the mothership" 1)Free Geek Update workgroup updates -EDUCATION, GOVERNANCE, SOFTWARE - nothing to report -LOCATIONS - google map module on durpal - Burnaby may be an option - primo location of West 17 and Ontario a no go -COMMUNICATIONS - FG provided computer to Momentum Magazine - changed over the Recyclistas, a non-profit in Victoria, BC to ubuntu - did bike p/u's of donations from COPE, Spartacus -FG donated power bars to Spartacus -made ice sled out of computer case "sled v0.9" -most of our donations came from contacts with in the bicycle community -through Scott's contacts we will be having an article in the Georgia Straight MONEY UPDATE ? we have $129 $100 from monitor fees, $49 from donations $20 went to costs of movie night GRANTS ? many grants do not fund start ups * Graeme suggests using the mothership reputation to help, and to also have someone from Portland sit on the board * Sean Hill and David Repa working on Freedonia grant * private investments seeked out, nothing yet * mothership started with 40K in "sugar daddy" money * suggestions to do outreach to local activists/musicians to help raise funds * acquire money in whatever donations possible NEW ITEMS Georgia Straight article -dave watson may be covering it -focus should be "we need space" -ifny suggests using the article for promoting a donation drive also -others raise concerns about needing space and transport to handle a big drive CONTACTS WITH BUSINESS/GOVERNMENT ERA - they are re-opening in Vancouver they are hard to get a hold of, no transparency in conversations they are planning on opening up a 20,000sq-ft facility they do pickups, don't charge have contracts with CP rail, office depot they seem like they are hiding something GVRD ? talked to Paul Remillard did not receive email sent on Dec 12 they will not endorse anyone who has not been cleared by Encorp Free Geek does not meet the requirements of Encorp TECHNO TRASH - talked to Peter, his boss is Rob * seemed very open and trying to be as transparent as possible * they do ship over seas, but not to china, they only ship to OECD countries * OECD stands for Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development * they are seeking ISO certification and EPSC * EPSC stands for Electronic Product Stewardship Canada LINUX CLINIC - education workgroup will take care of details - comm. workgroup will take care of PR * mothership has a education wiki page, if we need ideas, help * there should be more than one night * these nights should be scheduled in advance * have monitors and mice available to people who bring their boxes * need a digital projector(scott may have one) WORDS FROM JEFF THE GUY FROM FG-PORTLAND(PDX) * never trust the assessment of 'working or not working from your hardware donors * do not try to model ourselves exactly like FG-PDX, every city brings its own unique situations WORK PARTY Joe brought up the idea of having a work party after we get a good amount of computers so we have boxes ready to go ACTION ITEMS 1) David to arrange meeting with Rob at Techno Trash. 1. Georgia Straight article 1. appeal for space 2. promote a hardware drive 3. use techno trash to deal with possible overflow of hardware 1. Linux clinic ? Windowless Wednesday ? Feb. 7, 2007 6-9pm 1. first hour is a lesson, next two hours is tech help 2. location to be announced ? vcn, purple thistle, some kind of community centre 1. Next general meeting ? February 3rd, 2007, Spartacus, 1-3pm -- David 604-690-7372 From mcantelon at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 15:01:16 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:01:16 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Another Computer Recycling Place Message-ID: <8fb626080701081501r44033ef8x3c3b7d256d11f4f5@mail.gmail.com> In case it's useful: http://www.genesisrecycling.ca/ Cheers, Mike From mcantelon at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 10:22:55 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:22:55 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference Message-ID: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> 'Allo folks! One way to raise some money and grow the FreeGeek community would be to put on a sustainable computing conference. If folks support the idea, I'd be willing to bottomline it and work with anyone interested to organize it. It's not my intention to divert energy from existing commitments such as finding a space, etc., so I'd envision looking for volunteers outside of FreeGeek to help out. I think hosting a conference would help FreeGeek on a lot of levels: *it would raise some short-term money needed for location *it could attract long-term donors *It would raise publicity for Van FreeGeek and FreeGeek in general *It could bring folks from various FreeGeek locations together to plot and scheme ;) Based on what I've seen at other local conferences I think it would be easy to get *at least* 100 registrants, and likely closer to 200. I'd like to see registration be affordable and sliding scale, with the bulk of raised funds coming from sponsorship by local companies. I can see having a number of tracks such as an open-ended sustainable computing track, a "bringing Linux to the community" track, community web applications and technologies, etc. A lot of open source organization in Vancouver centers around specific technologies (Drupal, Ruby on Rails, Linux, etc.). It would be cool to see an event that brings these folks out of the woodwork. Let me know what you think! If this is something folks support, I'd want to start soon. Cheers, Mike From iamturnip at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 12:37:41 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:37:41 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Another Computer Recycling Place In-Reply-To: <8fb626080701081501r44033ef8x3c3b7d256d11f4f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <8fb626080701081501r44033ef8x3c3b7d256d11f4f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701091237h655f3287rb41a0849bc5f6a0e@mail.gmail.com> Thanks for the link, Too bad their website is in Flash, I can't see it. Can anyone tell me more about them? On 1/8/07, Mike Cantelon wrote: > In case it's useful: > http://www.genesisrecycling.ca/ > > Cheers, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van > -- David 604-690-7372 From betterthanbutter at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 21:57:08 2007 From: betterthanbutter at gmail.com (LBA Veldstra) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:57:08 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> Message-ID: I don't know if it helps but i feel that this location might be more useful than trying to set up in a less intense location. It may be in the seedy end of the Vancouver world. However that name that the east end has developed is merely an exterior. the heart of the DTES is pure. the people there are all about community. its a meeting place as well as a place to find drugs. There are people there who are interested in self development, as well as community development. The people that Freegeek touches the most are those who can't afford False creek or Kits or any other neighbourhood in Vancouver. I have worked there in the past and have experience it. In the non profit sector. No one there wants to be marginalized. but they are as a result of the look of the place. In the past the Federal govt. has dumped money into programs that help people to use computers. The money was misguided because they were pigeon-holed by microsoft bullshit. If we can introduce Open-source to this community i feel that it would gain the boost it so desperately needs. I know of one individual, from my limited experience, who is looking for a place like this. ~aaron~ "there is nothing at the end, except everything else" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bowserj at uselessdegree.net Wed Jan 10 00:32:40 2007 From: bowserj at uselessdegree.net (Joe Bowser) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:32:40 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference In-Reply-To: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 10:22 -0800, Mike Cantelon wrote: > 'Allo folks! > > One way to raise some money and grow the FreeGeek community would be > to put on a sustainable computing conference. If folks support the > idea, I'd be willing to bottomline it and work with anyone interested > to organize it. It's not my intention to divert energy from existing > commitments such as finding a space, etc., so I'd envision looking for > volunteers outside of FreeGeek to help out. I was thinking about something similar today actually, when I was trying to figure out how make money. > > I think hosting a conference would help FreeGeek on a lot of levels: > > > *it would raise some short-term money needed for location > > *it could attract long-term donors > > *It would raise publicity for Van FreeGeek and FreeGeek in general > > *It could bring folks from various FreeGeek locations together to plot > and scheme ;) > > > Based on what I've seen at other local conferences I think it would be > easy to get *at least* 100 registrants, and likely closer to 200. I'd > like to see registration be affordable and sliding scale, with the > bulk of raised funds coming from sponsorship by local companies. > > I can see having a number of tracks such as an open-ended sustainable > computing track, a "bringing Linux to the community" track, community > web applications and technologies, etc. A lot of open source > organization in Vancouver centers around specific technologies > (Drupal, Ruby on Rails, Linux, etc.). It would be cool to see an event > that brings these folks out of the woodwork. > > Let me know what you think! If this is something folks support, I'd > want to start soon. > I think this is a brilliant idea, since there are a lot of groups that I know of that use various different Open Source Technologies: * Various Non-Profits use Drupal Hosting * Campus/Community Radio has some specialized applications that run on Open Source, and would be interested. (CiTR, CJSF, Co-Op Radio) * Community WiFi is a very interesting aspect as well I fully support this idea, since I can see it raising FreeGeek Vancouver's profile immensely, and get us in contact with affinity groups, such as community groups, environmental groups, as well as tech groups who aren't all about profit and nothing else. I think a Sustainable Computing Conference would be the first of its kind anywhere and is something that is far overdue. Also, I think Sustainable Computing De-mystifys us a bit and brings us where we want to be, and that's accessible. But first of all, what is Sustainable Computing? I know that I have a nasty gadget fetish (like many geeks) and thus sadly I don't practice it, so I know what it's not, but what is it exactly? That's what the big draw to this idea is for me, because I don't think anyone on the planet knows what this is, and it sounds really neat! -- Joe Bowser From freegeek at seanhill.ca Wed Jan 10 11:02:20 2007 From: freegeek at seanhill.ca (sean hill) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:02:20 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Another Computer Recycling Place In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701091237h655f3287rb41a0849bc5f6a0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <8fb626080701081501r44033ef8x3c3b7d256d11f4f5@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701091237h655f3287rb41a0849bc5f6a0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A5383C.2070605@seanhill.ca> Flash indeed! I had to type out some of the text to put in this email! They're located in Aldergrove and say they process 200,000 computers annually. They've been running since 1994 and are certified ISO 14001 and ISO 9001-2000. They accept more than just computers, taking in consumer electronics, medical equipment, vending machines, and more. They make some strong environmental claims. This from their 'About Us' page: Genesis does not export any of its collected material overseas to potentially contaminate the environments of developing nations. All the materials collected by Genesis are processed and handled in B.C. making it the only electronics recyclers in western Canada that manages 100 percent the components from dismantled units. This approach becomes particularly important when dealing with computer monitors. An average CRT monitor contains 5 lbs. of lead ..... Genesis has developed a 'closed loop' process in which all leaded glass from monitors is captured and diverted for safe sandling. One hundred percent of the material is recycled through smelting or is encapsulated in products that pose no environmental threat. The only discrepancy I found was in a small video (also flash) on their news link which appears to be produced by another party. In the video it says that collected materials go to Canada and the US, while the above passage indicates everything stays in BC. Contact details are: 26049 30A Ave Aldergrove BC V4W 2W6 604-607-1117 877-607-1117 The 'About Us' page gives contact details for the president and says you can call him for more info: Bert Monesmith cel: 604-340-9110 sean h :o) David Repa wrote: > Thanks for the link, > > Too bad their website is in Flash, I can't see it. Can anyone tell me > more about them? > > On 1/8/07, Mike Cantelon wrote: >> In case it's useful: >> http://www.genesisrecycling.ca/ >> >> Cheers, >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> http://freegeekvancouver.org >> 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humble at resist.ca Wed Jan 10 12:35:53 2007 From: humble at resist.ca (agent humble) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 12:35:53 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference In-Reply-To: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701101235.53825.humble@resist.ca> Hi Mike, This is a fantastic idea and I would love to help out with it. It would be great to have enough in place that we could promote it at the upcoming PNAC Summit in February (http://www.2007summit.ca). Also, do you mind if I voice the idea at the upcoming VCN board meeting and see about getting VCN involved? cheers, Scott On Tuesday 09 January 2007 10:22 am, Mike Cantelon wrote: > 'Allo folks! > > One way to raise some money and grow the FreeGeek community would be > to put on a sustainable computing conference. If folks support the > idea, I'd be willing to bottomline it and work with anyone interested > to organize it. It's not my intention to divert energy from existing > commitments such as finding a space, etc., so I'd envision looking for > volunteers outside of FreeGeek to help out. > > > I think hosting a conference would help FreeGeek on a lot of levels: > > > *it would raise some short-term money needed for location > > *it could attract long-term donors > > *It would raise publicity for Van FreeGeek and FreeGeek in general > > *It could bring folks from various FreeGeek locations together to plot > and scheme ;) > > > Based on what I've seen at other local conferences I think it would be > easy to get *at least* 100 registrants, and likely closer to 200. I'd > like to see registration be affordable and sliding scale, with the > bulk of raised funds coming from sponsorship by local companies. > > I can see having a number of tracks such as an open-ended sustainable > computing track, a "bringing Linux to the community" track, community > web applications and technologies, etc. A lot of open source > organization in Vancouver centers around specific technologies > (Drupal, Ruby on Rails, Linux, etc.). It would be cool to see an event > that brings these folks out of the woodwork. > > Let me know what you think! If this is something folks support, I'd > want to start soon. > > Cheers, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van From shawn at freegeek.org Wed Jan 10 14:30:23 2007 From: shawn at freegeek.org (shawn) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:30:23 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A =?iso-8859-1?q?FreeGeek=09Conference?= In-Reply-To: <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> Message-ID: <200701101430.23841.shawn@freegeek.org> This sounds like a good idea for you cats (meow!). I just wanted to mention one thing: On Wednesday 10 January 2007 00:32, Joe Bowser wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-09 at 10:22 -0800, Mike Cantelon wrote: > > I think hosting a conference would help FreeGeek on a lot of levels: > > *It could bring folks from various FreeGeek locations together to plot > > and scheme ;) We like this idea, too. In fact, we had a Free Geek Con last year around the time of the big Open Source Convention in late July, and we'll probably do the same thing again. The conference is always in PDX, though: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2006/ Since lots of FG folks were in town from far away for the conference anyway, it worked out pretty well. This kind of get-together will become more important as Free Geek Intergalactic comes into being, I'd think. There are obviously lots of other reasons for you to hold a conference in Vancouver. We also had a conference here in 2004 and 2005 focusing on FOSS for non-profits. We called it Penguin Day. http://wiki.freegeek.org/index.php/Penguin_Day It was good publicity. But in terms of focusing a bunch on getting Free Geeks together: it might be hard to get many of us up there considering geographical setbacks (excepting Portland folks - we're close! Yay!). So, logistically, I think it might be good to focus on getting the burgeoning Intergalactic together in late July and rock the donations/publicity/FOSS/community angle for your conference (but still invite all the Geeks, of course). shawn From wolfe at riseup.net Wed Jan 10 23:15:24 2007 From: wolfe at riseup.net (Wolfe) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 23:15:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> Seconded... This is a good idea. Wolfe On Tue, January 9, 2007 9:57 pm, LBA Veldstra wrote: > I don't know if it helps but i feel that this location might be more > useful > than trying to set up in a less intense location. It may be in the seedy > end of the Vancouver world. However that name that the east end has > developed is merely an exterior. the heart of the DTES is pure. the > people > there are all about community. its a meeting place as well as a place to > find drugs. There are people there who are interested in self > development, > as well as community development. The people that Freegeek touches the > most > are those who can't afford False creek or Kits or any other neighbourhood > in > Vancouver. I have worked there in the past and have experience it. In > the > non profit sector. No one there wants to be marginalized. but they are > as > a result of the look of the place. In the past the Federal govt. has > dumped > money into programs that help people to use computers. The money was > misguided because they were pigeon-holed by microsoft bullshit. If we can > introduce Open-source to this community i feel that it would gain the > boost > it so desperately needs. I know of one individual, from my limited > experience, who is looking for a place like this. > ~aaron~ > > "there is nothing at the end, except everything else" > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van > -- Wolfe http://wolfe.northernoracle.org From iamturnip at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 07:00:22 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 07:00:22 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701110700l775edc0ewd79582119e2bd70e@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I have been in communication with the manager of the Hastings building(note, he is not in Vancouver). He said quote "...the building has been neglected for many years and is in need of upgrading. There are some plumbing issues that would need to be addressed (a leaking roof might simply need some re-directing of drain pipes) as well as other repairs so you might want to have someone experienced in property repairs to accompany you." This statement sets off warning bells. A leaky roof could be a lot of money. Even if we found donated labour and skills, what if the building became condemned like many buildings do with the seeming non-stop re-building of Vancouver. >From the get go I have always thought that we would be better off in an area that "favors no one community but is accessible by all". The key to a healthy community in my mind is bringing together various communities so they can understand each other better. Aaron makes some excellent points. However from a business stand point, I think it may be a poor choice. Our thrift store will probably end up covering a good chunk of our budget. I personally don't believe the store will thrive in that area. From an investment stand point I think the building(not the location) may also be a poor choice. That being said, if any one knows an estimator that would like to donate some of their time to accompany me to this building that would be greatly appreciated. -- David 604-690-7372 From wolfe at riseup.net Thu Jan 11 08:20:32 2007 From: wolfe at riseup.net (Wolfe) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 08:20:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [FreeGeek] IRC Chat Message-ID: <11184.wolfe.1168532432.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> Just a quick little note on the irc chat. I hacked together a little php script, http://northernoracle.org/freegeekchat.php for those that have problems with getting irc clients working etc. -- Wolfe http://wolfe.northernoracle.org From mcantelon at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 12:26:51 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:26:51 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference In-Reply-To: <200701101430.23841.shawn@freegeek.org> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> <200701101430.23841.shawn@freegeek.org> Message-ID: <8fb626080701111226n52f25a4ds22dc7f2501086a02@mail.gmail.com> > Portland folks - we're close! Yay!). So, logistically, I think it might > be good to focus on getting the burgeoning Intergalactic together in late > July and rock the donations/publicity/FOSS/community angle for your > conference (but still invite all the Geeks, of course). Cool... so, to avoid overlap, maybe we can focus this conference on sustainable computing in general rather than FreeGeek specifically (but still having it be a Vancouver FreeGeek fundraiser and have Vancouver FreeGeek be known as the organizing force)? And, if we do it before your July conference, we can promote yours at the same time. ^_^ Mike From mcantelon at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 12:43:22 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:43:22 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference In-Reply-To: <200701101235.53825.humble@resist.ca> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> <200701101235.53825.humble@resist.ca> Message-ID: <8fb626080701111243i30cfb118t106d781d2ed3fab2@mail.gmail.com> > This is a fantastic idea and I would love to help out with it. > > It would be great to have enough in place that we could promote it at the > upcoming PNAC Summit in February (http://www.2007summit.ca). Sounds good! > Also, do you mind if I voice the idea at the upcoming VCN board meeting and > see about getting VCN involved? That sounds good as long as we don't bring in too many new people organizationally before nailing down the rough details. Mike From mcantelon at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 12:47:20 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:47:20 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Email List for Conference Organization Message-ID: <8fb626080701111247x68324105n342b20594c6a002a@mail.gmail.com> I've created an email list for conference organization: http://groups.google.com/group/sustainable-computing-2007 Let me know if you want to be added! ^_^ Mike From mcantelon at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 13:09:23 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:09:23 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Raising Money/Publicity Through A FreeGeek Conference In-Reply-To: <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> References: <8fb626080701091022y2f99d120idd6cc48b3eae3365@mail.gmail.com> <1168417960.4683.14.camel@bowserj-desktop> Message-ID: <8fb626080701111309u1055ba8cg441a930e05d7e5a9@mail.gmail.com> Joe: > * Various Non-Profits use Drupal Hosting Totally. It would probably be easy to get sponsorship and speakers from local Drupal-based businesses as well (Bryght, RainCity, etc.). > * Campus/Community Radio has some specialized applications that run on > Open Source, and would be interested. (CiTR, CJSF, Co-Op Radio) > * Community WiFi is a very interesting aspect as well Aye! > But first of all, what is Sustainable Computing? I know that I have a > nasty gadget fetish (like many geeks) and thus sadly I don't practice > it, so I know what it's not, but what is it exactly? That's what the > big draw to this idea is for me, because I don't think anyone on the > planet knows what this is, and it sounds really neat! I, too, have a nasty gadget fetish. "Digital crack" a friend of mine calls it. When thinking of "sustainable computing", environmental sustainability is the focus but social sustainability is also a related concern... is technology going in a direction where the current social benefits of techonology will continue to exist? Protecting/growing community access, maintaining net neutrality, fighting off the threat of software patents to open source, working towards open hardware in contract to hardware-level DRM, are some concerns relating to that. I thought of a few ideas for presentations relating to environmental sustainability: * Computer Recycling Practices * The FreeGeek Model * Low-fi Computing * Computer Recycling Organizations: Who's Doing What? Mike From mcantelon at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 13:35:50 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 13:35:50 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701110700l775edc0ewd79582119e2bd70e@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> <8c0eafaa0701110700l775edc0ewd79582119e2bd70e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8fb626080701111335t2032807exdab8b7e0b33f34c8@mail.gmail.com> > Aaron makes some excellent points. However from a business stand > point, I think it may be a poor choice. Our thrift store will probably > end up covering a good chunk of our budget. I personally don't I agree... the DTES is not the most central of locations. Scott and I were involved in a community tech space years ago that was located near the DTES and was extremely underutilized. Mike From iamlachance at gmail.com Sat Jan 13 11:00:59 2007 From: iamlachance at gmail.com (ifny) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:00:59 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: <8fb626080701111335t2032807exdab8b7e0b33f34c8@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> <8c0eafaa0701110700l775edc0ewd79582119e2bd70e@mail.gmail.com> <8fb626080701111335t2032807exdab8b7e0b33f34c8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d895eaf0701131100i2453f81ai6596703099c7e62@mail.gmail.com> i live 6 blocks from there, i love that neighbourhood, & it is indeed poorly understood by many vancouverites, not to mention vancouver institutions. we certainly need to take access to DTES residents into consideration. unfortunately, a lot of people would not feel comfortable coming to our store or our classes there. i'm not only referring to privileged elites. we're talking about women, young people from other neighbourhoods (not to mention their parents), etc. this space is right across the street from the main & hastings gong show. i don't think we're equipped to normalize the neighbourhood. it would jeopardize our project too much & make it inaccessible to many. it hurts me to think like this, as i am passionate about the DTES. but we can always do work there without having our primary space at main & hastings. if this space was just a few blocks away, deeper in chinatown for example, the daytime action would clash less with our services' accessibility. but hey, we should follow as many leads as we can, as other opportunities can emerge in the process. & i'm curious about what the deal is with this place. ~ifny On 1/11/07, Mike Cantelon wrote: > > Aaron makes some excellent points. However from a business stand > > point, I think it may be a poor choice. Our thrift store will probably > > end up covering a good chunk of our budget. I personally don't > > I agree... the DTES is not the most central of locations. Scott and I > were involved in a community tech space years ago that was located > near the DTES and was extremely underutilized. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van > From freegeek at seanhill.ca Sat Jan 13 13:21:51 2007 From: freegeek at seanhill.ca (sean hill) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:21:51 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Potential Location In-Reply-To: <3d895eaf0701131100i2453f81ai6596703099c7e62@mail.gmail.com> References: <45A199E1.1070401@contentsolutions.ca> <10662.wolfe.1168499724.squirrel@tern.riseup.net> <8c0eafaa0701110700l775edc0ewd79582119e2bd70e@mail.gmail.com> <8fb626080701111335t2032807exdab8b7e0b33f34c8@mail.gmail.com> <3d895eaf0701131100i2453f81ai6596703099c7e62@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45A94D6F.3020906@seanhill.ca> I agree that the location might jeopardize our main operations but I like the idea that we may have secondary work we do in the area. sean h :o) ifny wrote: > i live 6 blocks from there, i love that neighbourhood, & it is indeed > poorly understood by many vancouverites, not to mention vancouver > institutions. we certainly need to take access to DTES residents into > consideration. > > unfortunately, a lot of people would not feel comfortable coming to > our store or our classes there. i'm not only referring to privileged > elites. we're talking about women, young people from other > neighbourhoods (not to mention their parents), etc. > > this space is right across the street from the main & hastings gong > show. i don't think we're equipped to normalize the neighbourhood. it > would jeopardize our project too much & make it inaccessible to many. > > it hurts me to think like this, as i am passionate about the DTES. but > we can always do work there without having our primary space at main & > hastings. > > if this space was just a few blocks away, deeper in chinatown for > example, the daytime action would clash less with our services' > accessibility. > > but hey, we should follow as many leads as we can, as other > opportunities can emerge in the process. & i'm curious about what the > deal is with this place. > > ~ifny > > > On 1/11/07, Mike Cantelon wrote: >> > Aaron makes some excellent points. However from a business stand >> > point, I think it may be a poor choice. Our thrift store will probably >> > end up covering a good chunk of our budget. I personally don't >> >> I agree... the DTES is not the most central of locations. Scott and I >> were involved in a community tech space years ago that was located >> near the DTES and was extremely underutilized. >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> http://freegeekvancouver.org >> 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van >> > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van From adsgray at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 16:32:12 2007 From: adsgray at gmail.com (Andrew Gray) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 16:32:12 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Introduction Message-ID: <251c5d440701161632x41b3ed1frc837284c9e72eb0e@mail.gmail.com> On 1/11/07, freegeek-van-request at lists.resist.ca wrote: > > And please send an introductory message telling us about your interest > in FreeGeek, your relevant experience, and how much time you can > presently commit per week. > Hi, I'm interested in FreeGeek for a couple reasons. I've been a user of Free Software for around 10 years and more recently I have been thinking about "sustainable" living ("ask me about my compost worms!" :-) I have a computer science degree and for the past few years I've been programming in C for a network security/anti-virus company. I have some informal experience with perl, HTML, CSS and also hobbyist type experience with hardware. I can probably commit a few hours per week and I'll try to make it to the next meeting. - Andrew From tlowe at shaw.ca Wed Jan 17 01:40:47 2007 From: tlowe at shaw.ca (Terry Lowe) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:40:47 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] FreeGeek Press Release? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20070117013744.01e7f598@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> Hi all, Does FreeGeek Vancouver have an official Press Release that can be handed out to media people? There's none visible on the web site, which makes me think there's none available. Check the mothership: http://www.freegeek.org/pressrelease.php GONG! >> The requested URL /pressrelease.php was not found on this server. (oh my...) So, shall we write one? I've never written a press release before, but I think there are some members who have. I can provide copy-editing, if needed. Cheers! Terry From shawn at freegeek.org Wed Jan 17 10:12:16 2007 From: shawn at freegeek.org (shawn) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 10:12:16 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] FreeGeek Press Release? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20070117013744.01e7f598@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20070117013744.01e7f598@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <45AE6700.2080806@freegeek.org> Terry Lowe wrote: > Hi all, > http://www.freegeek.org/pressrelease.php > GONG! >> The requested URL /pressrelease.php was not found on this server. > (oh my...) Eeek! Our press release area is brand spankin' new, and I changed around some links. The press release index is now at http://freegeek.org/pressreleases In the past, news was simply archived on the news page: http://freegeek.org/news.php Can you tell me where you found the expired link so I can fix it? The press releases that are currently listed weren't conceived of as press releases, even. They were just news page stories that got kinda long. shawn From humble at resist.ca Fri Jan 19 17:52:28 2007 From: humble at resist.ca (agent humble) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 17:52:28 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Freedom Toaster and Drupal Users Group meetup Message-ID: <200701191752.29150.humble@resist.ca> Hi Freegeekers, Check out this fantastic project, sponsored by the Shuttleworth Foundation (founder of Ubuntu) -- http://freedomtoaster.org. It's an public kiosk that anyone can bring blank CDs and DVDs to and burn open and free content onto. The site includes a complete set of directions and code for building your own. It would be a great FreeGeek project build one of these (and perhaps one for Spartacus...) Also... next thursday will be the next Vancouver Drupal Users group meeting. Anyone who is interested in learning more about the open source content management system that powers our website should try and go. It will be from 6-8 at the office of Bryght, in Gastown. All are welcome. more info: http://groups.drupal.org/vancouver cheers, Scott From iamturnip at gmail.com Thu Jan 18 13:28:38 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 13:28:38 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] FG Business Update Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701181328v23eae699p70cb46336ce3949@mail.gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I am happy to announce that Free Geek now has a bank account with Vancity. Now we just need some money to fill it up with! The two signing officers for the account are David Repa and Sean Hill. -- David 604-690-7372 From iamturnip at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 12:49:52 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:49:52 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] FreeGeek Press Release? In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20070117013744.01e7f598@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20070117013744.01e7f598@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701201249j2cefae40n8ef9f5f7801572@mail.gmail.com> Terry, I think a press release is a great idea. I have never written one either, but I am sure between all of our skills we can pull one off. I will have a boo at the motherships. Maybe we should move this over to the communication work group list and start hashing something out. -- David 604-690-7372 From mcantelon at gmail.com Sat Jan 20 14:25:57 2007 From: mcantelon at gmail.com (Mike Cantelon) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:25:57 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Freedom Toaster and Drupal Users Group meetup In-Reply-To: <200701191752.29150.humble@resist.ca> References: <200701191752.29150.humble@resist.ca> Message-ID: <8fb626080701201425i2a3c01efla546c8491def668b@mail.gmail.com> > It's an public kiosk that anyone can bring blank CDs and DVDs to and burn open > and free content onto. The site includes a complete set of directions and > code for building your own. It would be a great FreeGeek project build one of > these (and perhaps one for Spartacus...) Brilliant! It would be a great outreach tool for FreeGeek as well if we had one of these to bring to local conferences. > Also... next thursday will be the next Vancouver Drupal Users group meeting. > Anyone who is interested in learning more about the open source content > management system that powers our website should try and go. It will be from > 6-8 at the office of Bryght, in Gastown. All are welcome. > more info: http://groups.drupal.org/vancouver I intended to check their last meeting out but was too lazy, so I'll definitely hit this one. :} M From sean at seanhill.ca Tue Jan 23 10:29:56 2007 From: sean at seanhill.ca (sean hill) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:29:56 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: Sista'Hood invitation - Mar. 24, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45B47E7C.3000402@seanhill.ca> References: <45B47E7C.3000402@seanhill.ca> Message-ID: <45B65424.80906@seanhill.ca> Here's some information around the Sista'Hood festival coming up near the end of March. We've received a direct invitation to participate and they're very excited about the work we're doing and planning to do. The invitation is at the very least to present a table with information about our organisation, but there will also be space for us to present a workshop and even proto-type some of our education program if we wish. Sista'Hood is an annual event organising primarily around women in the arts and community. They're looking for community organisations that are helping to build a healthy community. This is a great opportunity for us to diversify our base of geeks beyond the predominantly male. I personally have no experience putting on workshops but will be happy to help someone who does. Otherwise, I'd at least help to organise a table where we can present ourselves and what we do. Anyone interested in helping out? sean h :o) > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Come Build Community at the Sista'Hood Celebration Remedy, > Mar. 24, 2007 > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:29:51 -0800 > From: Emily Elder > To: Emily Elder > > > > **Please forward through your networks** > **Please excuse cross-postings** > NOTE: New Deadline! > > Happy 2007, all you community-minded artist/activist types! > > This is an invitation for statements of interest from artists, > craftspeople, community-builders, educators and anyone else, working > in all disciplines. > > Come participate in the Remedy, an event at the Sista'hood Celebration 2007! > > SATURDAY MARCH 24th, 2006 > > The Remedy: Meaningful Celebration as Cultural Medicine > > Arts reach people. > Sharing skills and experiences builds awareness. > Community action brings change. > > Presented by the Sista'hood Celebration, created through your participation, > > featuring? > > performances from Vancouver's established and emerging artists, > workshops in multi-disciplinary and professional development subjects, > community-economy market of visual arts and crafts, > community-wellness fair by local health, activist and cultural organizations, > > Come help us create an Intercultural, All-Ages, All day PARTY > ?a beautiful zone for dialogue, expression, and exchange. > > IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE REMEDY (as a performer, workshop > presenter, display artist, working artisan/craftperson, or in the > creative capacity of your choice), > > PLEASE CONTACT US! Send us a one-paragraph introduction to your work > and how it relates to the theme of The Remedy (before Jan. 25, 2007), > and we'll get back to you quickly. > > Suggested donations for tables: > Individuals selling products: $30 > Community groups and other organizations: $30-$300 000... hey, it's a > good cause, right? > > remedy.celebration at gmail.com > Emily Elder 778 865 1581 > Sara Kendall 604 253 9294 > > Deadline to apply: January 25, 2007 > http://www.sistahoodcelebration.com/ > > **What's Sista'hood?** > > http://www.sistahoodcelebration.com/ > > The only event of its kind in Western Canada, the Sista'Hood > Celebration is an annual multidisciplinary arts festival that explores > the convergence of women in music, dance, spoken word, media arts and > activism. > > **What about Community Development?** > > This year, we are holding an event called THE REMEDY on March 24th, > 2007. This day-long event will be an all-ages inter-cultural event > including workshops, performances and a Community Economy > Market/Wellness Fair. > > The theme of this event is "Meaningful Celebration as Cultural > Medicine: building community health." We hope to include groups that > approach this through the arts, activism, grassroots economic > initiatives (including artist and crafter self-employment), and a > variety of social health actions. > > Please review our 1-pager invitation for participants, and forward it > wherever you feel suits. > > One Love, > > Emily > > Emily Elder > Community Development Coordinator > > Sista'hood brings you THE REMEDY, March 24, 2007: Meaningful > Celebration as Cultural Medicine > > remedy.celebration at gmail.com > 778-865-1581 > > -- > Our beliefs and actions are important. You and I are responsible for > how we treat the people around us and whether or not we are fighting > against injustice or contributing to it. But as long as we focus only > on individual actions and ignore community and organizational > responses, we will leave the system of racism intact. > -Paul Kivel, Uprooting Racism: How White People Can Work For Racial Justice, p 3 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Sista'Hood invitation - Mar. 24, 2007 > From: > sean hill > Date: > Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:48:51 -0800 > To: > fg-communications at freegeekvancouver.org, > fg-general at freegeekvancouver.org, FreeGeek Vancouver discussion > > > To: > fg-communications at freegeekvancouver.org, > fg-general at freegeekvancouver.org, FreeGeek Vancouver discussion > > > Received: > from outbound-mail-60.bluehost.com ([69.89.20.40]) by puddle.ca with > smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H8P3j-0008P6-Sq for > fg-communications at freegeekvancouver.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:51:56 -0800 > Received: > (qmail 10435 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jan 2007 22:48:55 -0000 > Received: > from unknown (HELO box161.bluehost.com) (70.103.16.161) by > mailproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 20 Jan 2007 22:48:55 -0000 > Received: > from d207-6-243-211.bchsia.telus.net ([207.6.243.211] > helo=[192.168.0.103]) by box161.bluehost.com with esmtpsa > (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) > id 1H8P13-0002DB-TL; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:48:55 -0700 > Message-ID: > <45B29C53.4060006 at seanhill.ca> > User-Agent: > Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) > MIME-Version: > 1.0 > X-Enigmail-Version: > 0.94.1.1 > Content-Type: > multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010106050802070707010800" > X-Identified-User: > {1123:box161.bluehost.com:evershad:seanhill.ca} {sentby:smtp auth > 207.6.243.211 authed with sean at seanhill.ca} > X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: > 69.89.20.40 > X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: > sean at seanhill.ca > X-Spam-Checker-Version: > SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on puddle.ca > X-Spam-Status: > No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, > HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY autolearn=no version=3.0.3 > X-SA-Exim-Version: > 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) > X-SA-Exim-Scanned: > Yes (on puddle.ca) > > > Here's some information around the Sista'Hood festival coming up near > the end of March. We've received a direct invitation to participate > and they're very excited about the work we're doing and planning to do. > > The invitation is at the very least to present a table with > information about our organisation, but there will also be space for > us to present a workshop and even proto-type some of our education > program if we wish. > > Sista'Hood is an annual event organising primarily around women in the > arts and community. This is a great opportunity for us to diversify > our base of geeks beyond the predominantly male. > > I personally have no experience putting on workshops but will be happy > to help someone who does. Otherwise, I'd at least help to organise a > table where we can present ourselves and what we do. > > Anyone interested in helping out? > > sean h :o) > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Come Build Community at the Sista'Hood Celebration Remedy, > Mar. 24, 2007 > Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 17:29:51 -0800 > From: Emily Elder > To: Emily Elder > > > > **Please forward through your networks** > **Please excuse cross-postings** > NOTE: New Deadline! > > Happy 2007, all you community-minded artist/activist types! > > This is an invitation for statements of interest from artists, > craftspeople, community-builders, educators and anyone else, working > in all disciplines. > > Come participate in the Remedy, an event at the Sista'hood Celebration 2007! > > SATURDAY MARCH 24th, 2006 > > The Remedy: Meaningful Celebration as Cultural Medicine > > Arts reach people. > Sharing skills and experiences builds awareness. > Community action brings change. > > Presented by the Sista'hood Celebration, created through your participation, > > featuring? > > performances from Vancouver's established and emerging artists, > workshops in multi-disciplinary and professional development subjects, > community-economy market of visual arts and crafts, > community-wellness fair by local health, activist and cultural organizations, > > Come help us create an Intercultural, All-Ages, All day PARTY > ?a beautiful zone for dialogue, expression, and exchange. > > IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE REMEDY (as a performer, workshop > presenter, display artist, working artisan/craftperson, or in the > creative capacity of your choice), > > PLEASE CONTACT US! Send us a one-paragraph introduction to your work > and how it relates to the theme of The Remedy (before Jan. 25, 2007), > and we'll get back to you quickly. > > Suggested donations for tables: > Individuals selling products: $30 > Community groups and other organizations: $30-$300 000... hey, it's a > good cause, right? > > remedy.celebration at gmail.com > Emily Elder 778 865 1581 > Sara Kendall 604 253 9294 > > Deadline to apply: January 25, 2007 > http://www.sistahoodcelebration.com/ > > **What's Sista'hood?** > > http://www.sistahoodcelebration.com/ > > The only event of its kind in Western Canada, the Sista'Hood > Celebration is an annual multidisciplinary arts festival that explores > the convergence of women in music, dance, spoken word, media arts and > activism. > > **What about Community Development?** > > This year, we are holding an event called THE REMEDY on March 24th, > 2007. This day-long event will be an all-ages inter-cultural event > including workshops, performances and a Community Economy > Market/Wellness Fair. > > The theme of this event is "Meaningful Celebration as Cultural > Medicine: building community health." We hope to include groups that > approach this through the arts, activism, grassroots economic > initiatives (including artist and crafter self-employment), and a > variety of social health actions. > > Please review our 1-pager invitation for participants, and forward it > wherever you feel suits. > > One Love, > > Emily > > Emily Elder > Community Development Coordinator > > Sista'hood brings you THE REMEDY, March 24, 2007: Meaningful > Celebration as Cultural Medicine > > remedy.celebration at gmail.com > 778-865-1581 > > -- > Our beliefs and actions are important. You and I are responsible for > how we treat the people around us and whether or not we are fighting > against injustice or contributing to it. But as long as we focus only > on individual actions and ignore community and organizational > responses, we will leave the system of racism intact. > -Paul Kivel, Uprooting Racism: How White People Can Work For Racial Justice, p 3 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From iamturnip at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 16:54:52 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:54:52 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: Sista'Hood invitation - Mar. 24, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45B65424.80906@seanhill.ca> References: <45B47E7C.3000402@seanhill.ca> <45B65424.80906@seanhill.ca> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701231654q29a7db82nfc72da938fd78283@mail.gmail.com> Sean, I am there. Can you take care of replying to the direct invitation? We will have table with info for sure, and some demo stuff. We can have a meeting about it in Feb, and those interested can come. Will post meeting date soon. -- David 604-690-7372 From sean.brookes at contentsolutions.ca Tue Jan 23 19:54:03 2007 From: sean.brookes at contentsolutions.ca (Sean Brookes) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:54:03 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: Sista'Hood invitation - Mar. 24, 2007 In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701231654q29a7db82nfc72da938fd78283@mail.gmail.com> References: <45B47E7C.3000402@seanhill.ca> <45B65424.80906@seanhill.ca> <8c0eafaa0701231654q29a7db82nfc72da938fd78283@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45B6D85B.3050001@contentsolutions.ca> David Repa wrote: > Sean, > > I am there. Can you take care of replying to the direct invitation? > We will have table with info for sure, and some demo stuff. We can > have a meeting about it in Feb, and those interested can come. Will > post meeting date soon. > > -- > David > 604-690-7372 > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van > > This is just a test. I have been having trouble sending messages to fg-content and I want to see if this is my problem or somewhere else. From freegeek at seanhill.ca Wed Jan 24 12:16:34 2007 From: freegeek at seanhill.ca (sean hill) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 12:16:34 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: Sista'Hood invitation - Mar. 24, 2007 In-Reply-To: <45B6D85B.3050001@contentsolutions.ca> References: <45B47E7C.3000402@seanhill.ca> <45B65424.80906@seanhill.ca> <8c0eafaa0701231654q29a7db82nfc72da938fd78283@mail.gmail.com> <45B6D85B.3050001@contentsolutions.ca> Message-ID: <45B7BEA2.2030205@seanhill.ca> Hey Sean, I've also been having trouble posting to fg-content and fg-general sean h :o) Sean Brookes wrote: > David Repa wrote: >> Sean, >> >> I am there. Can you take care of replying to the direct invitation? >> We will have table with info for sure, and some demo stuff. We can >> have a meeting about it in Feb, and those interested can come. Will >> post meeting date soon. >> >> -- >> David >> 604-690-7372 >> _______________________________________________ >> http://freegeekvancouver.org >> 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' >> https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van >> >> > This is just a test. I have been having trouble sending messages to > fg-content and I want to see if this is my problem or somewhere else. > _______________________________________________ > http://freegeekvancouver.org > 'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' > https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van From humble at resist.ca Fri Jan 26 12:30:48 2007 From: humble at resist.ca (agent humble) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:30:48 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Fwd: Greenpeace launches greenmyapple campaign Message-ID: <200701261230.48091.humble@resist.ca> This will be useful to watch. humble ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Greenpeace launches greenmyapple campaign Date: Friday 26 January 2007 6:05 am From: Geert Lovink To: "nettime's international court of justice" (after e-waste campaigns such as http://www.e-waste.ch/ this greenpeace initiative, targetted at apple, seems to be the next level, focussed on the production, and no longer on the recycling economy and the management of the waste side of computer use. geert) http://www.greenmyapple.org We love Apple. Apple knows more about "clean" design than anybody, right? So why do Macs, iPods, iBooks and the rest of their product range contain hazardous substances that other companies have agreed to abandon? A cutting edge company shouldn't be cutting lives short by exposing children in China and India to dangerous chemicals. That's why we Apple fans need to demand a new, cool product: a greener Apple. We're Greenpeace, and we want a fresh green Apple. Right now, poison Apples full of chemicals (like toxic flame retardants, and polyvinyl chloride) are being sold worldwide. When they're tossed, they usually end up at the fingertips of children in China, India and other developing-world countries. They dismantle them for parts, and are exposed to a dangerous toxic cocktail that threatens their health and the environment. You can't recycle toxic waste If Apple doesn't drop the toxics from its products, it doesn't matter how good a recycling program they have. Because toxics make recycling more hazardous. And eventually, the toxic chemicals will be released. Dropping toxics makes reuse and recycling of products simplier, safer and cheaper. Recycling - Apple finally came around to a limited recycling program in the US, but they can do better. We want them to offer a comprehensive take-back and recycling program worldwide. Not just in the US or where Apple is legally compelled to. It's time for Apple to use clean ingredients in all of its products, and to provide a free take-back program to reuse and recycle its products wherever they are sold. That means: Remove the worst toxic chemicals from all their products and production lines. Offer and promote free "take-back" for all their products everywhere they are sold. We're not asking for just "good enough." We want Apple to do that "amaze us" thing that Steve does at MacWorld: go beyond the minimum and make Apple a green leader. Go on, be a tiger It's not about bruising Apple's image, Apple should be an environmental leader. We want Apple to be at the forefront of green technology, and to clearly show other companies how to do it the right way. But YOU have to tell Apple to go green to the core -- they listen to their customers, not to Greenpeace. Innovative or Conventional? Of course Apple isn't the only company that needs to change its ways. But in a recent Greenpeace scorecard, Apple ranked lower than HP, Dell, Nokia, and Sony. For an industry innovator, Apple is falling off the cart while the leaders of the industry are speeding ahead. Apple is lagging behind both Dell and HP, who have both promised to start removing toxic chemicals from their products. And HP and Dell both have much better global "take back" programs than Apple. Start a revolution on your desktop Enough talk - let's get going. Ready to take a bite of Green Apple? Join thousands of other cool Green Apple activists and take action today. Still got questions? Check out the questions about the campaign and iPoison + iWaste for more details about the campaign and Apple's environmental record. If you want to get involved, visit the iBuzz page: http://www.greenmyapple.org/buzz # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo at bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime at bbs.thing.net ------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- (after e-waste campaigns such as http://www.e-waste.ch/ this greenpeace initiative, targetted at apple, seems to be the next level, focussed on the production, and no longer on the recycling economy and the management of the waste side of computer use. geert) http://www.greenmyapple.org We love Apple. Apple knows more about "clean" design than anybody, right? So why do Macs, iPods, iBooks and the rest of their product range contain hazardous substances that other companies have agreed to abandon? A cutting edge company shouldn't be cutting lives short by exposing children in China and India to dangerous chemicals. That's why we Apple fans need to demand a new, cool product: a greener Apple. We're Greenpeace, and we want a fresh green Apple. Right now, poison Apples full of chemicals (like toxic flame retardants, and polyvinyl chloride) are being sold worldwide. When they're tossed, they usually end up at the fingertips of children in China, India and other developing-world countries. They dismantle them for parts, and are exposed to a dangerous toxic cocktail that threatens their health and the environment. You can't recycle toxic waste If Apple doesn't drop the toxics from its products, it doesn't matter how good a recycling program they have. Because toxics make recycling more hazardous. And eventually, the toxic chemicals will be released. Dropping toxics makes reuse and recycling of products simplier, safer and cheaper. Recycling - Apple finally came around to a limited recycling program in the US, but they can do better. We want them to offer a comprehensive take-back and recycling program worldwide. Not just in the US or where Apple is legally compelled to. It's time for Apple to use clean ingredients in all of its products, and to provide a free take-back program to reuse and recycle its products wherever they are sold. That means: Remove the worst toxic chemicals from all their products and production lines. Offer and promote free "take-back" for all their products everywhere they are sold. We're not asking for just "good enough." We want Apple to do that "amaze us" thing that Steve does at MacWorld: go beyond the minimum and make Apple a green leader. Go on, be a tiger It's not about bruising Apple's image, Apple should be an environmental leader. We want Apple to be at the forefront of green technology, and to clearly show other companies how to do it the right way. But YOU have to tell Apple to go green to the core -- they listen to their customers, not to Greenpeace. Innovative or Conventional? Of course Apple isn't the only company that needs to change its ways. But in a recent Greenpeace scorecard, Apple ranked lower than HP, Dell, Nokia, and Sony. For an industry innovator, Apple is falling off the cart while the leaders of the industry are speeding ahead. Apple is lagging behind both Dell and HP, who have both promised to start removing toxic chemicals from their products. And HP and Dell both have much better global "take back" programs than Apple. Start a revolution on your desktop Enough talk - let's get going. Ready to take a bite of Green Apple? Join thousands of other cool Green Apple activists and take action today. Still got questions? Check out the questions about the campaign and iPoison + iWaste for more details about the campaign and Apple's environmental record. If you want to get involved, visit the iBuzz page: http://www.greenmyapple.org/buzz # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo at bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime at bbs.thing.net From iamturnip at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 13:14:02 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:14:02 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] on-line donations Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701261314h3e0bc4fbg439af7f5d3389e7a@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I would like to get some ideas on the future of our on-line donations. Paypal obviously comes to mind first. However some of our members have issue with this company. FG-pdx does use paypal. I looked into hyperwallet here in Vancouver. They do bank to bank transactions for Canadian only, and only with RBC, VanCity, BMO, and some others. They do not deal with CIBC, Scotia, Presidents Choice to name a few. Their services per transaction accepted would not cost us anything since we are vancity customers. I wuold like to see a credit card option. I looked into some other companies like paypal. They all seem rather flaky. The reasons I am posting this to the general list is I want to hear from everyone that may know of different companies that do this and do it well. We would preferably want a Canadian company, I think a good approach is to have 3 different options and let the donor pick the one they feel most comfortable with. So far I am thinking Paypal, HyperWallet, and...well...to be decided. -- David Repa 604-690-7372 From humble at resist.ca Fri Jan 26 13:25:08 2007 From: humble at resist.ca (agent humble) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 13:25:08 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] on-line donations In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701261314h3e0bc4fbg439af7f5d3389e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701261314h3e0bc4fbg439af7f5d3389e7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200701261325.08099.humble@resist.ca> Hi David, That sounds optimum to me. Can you proceed with setting up those accounts? Once you have it it's just a matter of pasting the code snippet they give us into a Drupal block and deciding where we want it to appear. Great work. scott On Friday 26 January 2007 1:14 pm, David Repa wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to get some ideas on the future of our on-line donations. > > Paypal obviously comes to mind first. However some of our members > have issue with this company. FG-pdx does use paypal. > > I looked into hyperwallet here in Vancouver. They do bank to bank > transactions for Canadian only, and only with RBC, VanCity, BMO, and > some others. They do not deal with CIBC, Scotia, Presidents Choice to > name a few. Their services per transaction accepted would not cost us > anything since we are vancity customers. > > I wuold like to see a credit card option. I looked into some other > companies like paypal. They all seem rather flaky. > > The reasons I am posting this to the general list is I want to hear > from everyone that may know of different companies that do this and do > it well. We would preferably want a Canadian company, > > I think a good approach is to have 3 different options and let the > donor pick the one they feel most comfortable with. So far I am > thinking Paypal, HyperWallet, and...well...to be decided. From wolfe at riseup.net Fri Jan 26 20:46:18 2007 From: wolfe at riseup.net (wolfe) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:46:18 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] on-line donations In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701261314h3e0bc4fbg439af7f5d3389e7a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701261314h3e0bc4fbg439af7f5d3389e7a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1169873179.5114.3.camel@unode> Funny this you should be asking about this. i just sent a request for a report on this very subject that provides reviews for non-profits for free on donation systems online, there are 26 or 27 in the report that offer systems for donations, paypal is one one of them. Northern Oracle's needs are different then freegeeks so it is unlikely that the two would end up with the same system, but I will forward the information to you when I get it. wolfe On Fri, 2007-26-01 at 13:14 -0800, David Repa wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to get some ideas on the future of our on-line donations. > > Paypal obviously comes to mind first. However some of our members > have issue with this company. FG-pdx does use paypal. > > I looked into hyperwallet here in Vancouver. They do bank to bank > transactions for Canadian only, and only with RBC, VanCity, BMO, and > some others. They do not deal with CIBC, Scotia, Presidents Choice to > name a few. Their services per transaction accepted would not cost us > anything since we are vancity customers. > > I wuold like to see a credit card option. I looked into some other > companies like paypal. They all seem rather flaky. > > The reasons I am posting this to the general list is I want to hear > from everyone that may know of different companies that do this and do > it well. We would preferably want a Canadian company, > > I think a good approach is to have 3 different options and let the > donor pick the one they feel most comfortable with. So far I am > thinking Paypal, HyperWallet, and...well...to be decided. > From iamturnip at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 14:55:37 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:55:37 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Feb 3rd(Sat) FG Meeting AGENDA In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701271454g306ff5am25e678d28b984eb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701271454g306ff5am25e678d28b984eb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701271455o16552a9s99323157aae5bdc7@mail.gmail.com> Hello folks, Here is the Agenda for the Feb.3rd meeting. Our focus will be funding and events. Funding 1)Mike Cantelon will give a presentation on his conference plan 2)Paypal 3)donations(psst we got a bit more now!) Upcoming Events 1)Summit on IT(Feb 23!!) - are we going? 2)Sista 'Hood(March 24) - what are we going to do there 3)Movie Night(TBA) - part 2 Does anyone have anything they want to add to the agenda? Any volunteers for facilitating this meeting and a scribe too? Look forward to seeing you all again! -- David 604-690-7372 -- David 604-690-7372 From tlowe at shaw.ca Sat Jan 27 18:29:50 2007 From: tlowe at shaw.ca (Terry Lowe) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 18:29:50 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Feb 3rd(Sat) FG Meeting AGENDA In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701271455o16552a9s99323157aae5bdc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701271454g306ff5am25e678d28b984eb2@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701271454g306ff5am25e678d28b984eb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20070127182914.01e817f8@shawmail.vc.shawcable.net> I will be scribe if no one else wants to, on one condition: If the meeting runs more than 2 hrs, I get a smoke break at 3 PM. I usually uncover a few other closet fumeurs as well... I take minutes the old-fashioned way (on paper), then go home and type them up and submit them. We might want to add the Press Release question to the agenda, as well, at least to see if anyone has experience writing one. Terry At 02:55 PM 01 27 2007, you wrote: >Hello folks, > >Here is the Agenda for the Feb.3rd meeting. Our focus will be funding >and events. > >Funding > >1)Mike Cantelon will give a presentation on his conference plan >2)Paypal >3)donations(psst we got a bit more now!) > >Upcoming Events > >1)Summit on IT(Feb 23!!) - are we going? >2)Sista 'Hood(March 24) - what are we going to do there >3)Movie Night(TBA) - part 2 > >Does anyone have anything they want to add to the agenda? > >Any volunteers for facilitating this meeting and a scribe too? > >Look forward to seeing you all again! > > >-- >David >604-690-7372 > > >-- >David >604-690-7372 >_______________________________________________ >http://freegeekvancouver.org >'Helping the needy get nerdy since the beginning of the 3rd millennium' >https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freegeek-van From iamturnip at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 23:11:49 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 23:11:49 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: [Fg-education] urgent linux clinic issue In-Reply-To: <3d895eaf0701242229u149072c1h222e9bb31a08e004@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701201101s90cd3eehc4d4f7dcdb79db7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201342.31470.humble@resist.ca> <1169426610.27098.32.camel@bowserj-laptop> <200701241455.53819.humble@resist.ca> <3d895eaf0701242229u149072c1h222e9bb31a08e004@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701282311y55748361m4c8d5a18d7768e02@mail.gmail.com> ok folks, Unfortunatly we are at strike 3. Videoin is not an option, they need a one month notice. I am down to plan D, which is renting a room at the Central Library. Does anyone(hence the cc to the general list) have any other suggestion or leads before I book the room tomorrow (Monday Jan 29th) at the library. The room must fit at least 20 people , we could probably get away with less, as our PR has been a bit on the low side. Also the room must be 100% handicap accessible. Free would be nice, but FGV can shell out a bit if needed. I will be booking the library room around 2pm tomorrow if nothing suitable comes to my attention before then, Thanks! -- David 604-690-7372 From iamturnip at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 16:59:53 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:59:53 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: [Fg-education] urgent linux clinic issue In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701282311y55748361m4c8d5a18d7768e02@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701201101s90cd3eehc4d4f7dcdb79db7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201342.31470.humble@resist.ca> <1169426610.27098.32.camel@bowserj-laptop> <200701241455.53819.humble@resist.ca> <3d895eaf0701242229u149072c1h222e9bb31a08e004@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701282311y55748361m4c8d5a18d7768e02@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701291659k5f85790dw181f09c73e8ccebc@mail.gmail.com> The clinic so far has NOT been booked at the library. I am following one lead on Tuesday. I will post location as soon as I know. -- David 604-690-7372 From freegeek at seanhill.ca Mon Jan 29 20:44:26 2007 From: freegeek at seanhill.ca (sean hill) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:44:26 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: [Fg-education] urgent linux clinic issue In-Reply-To: <8c0eafaa0701291659k5f85790dw181f09c73e8ccebc@mail.gmail.com> References: <8c0eafaa0701201101s90cd3eehc4d4f7dcdb79db7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201342.31470.humble@resist.ca> <1169426610.27098.32.camel@bowserj-laptop> <200701241455.53819.humble@resist.ca> <3d895eaf0701242229u149072c1h222e9bb31a08e004@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701282311y55748361m4c8d5a18d7768e02@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701291659k5f85790dw181f09c73e8ccebc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BECD2A.8050907@seanhill.ca> Have you tried asking at any of the Legion's? (commercial dr, main st) sean h :o) David Repa wrote: > The clinic so far has NOT been booked at the library. I am following > one lead on Tuesday. I will post location as soon as I know. > > -- > David > 604-690-7372 > > _______________________________________________ > fg-education mailing list > fg-education at freegeekvancouver.org > http://puddle.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fg-education From malcolm.8 at gmail.com Sat Jan 6 18:21:36 2007 From: malcolm.8 at gmail.com (malcolm van delst) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 02:21:36 -0000 Subject: [FreeGeek] biz plan writing Message-ID: Hi, If you need more help with this, I'd love to be involved. I've written successful web site proposals for the CBC and CHUM TV, and developed a preliminary plan for a design business, in the past. Cheers, and nice to meet you guy (sic)! Malcolm -- Malcolm van Delst http://www.FrogStyleBiscuit.com It's a Dream! T 604-872-6267 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shawn at freegeek.org Tue Jan 30 15:43:47 2007 From: shawn at freegeek.org (shawn) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:43:47 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Fwd: [pawc] Fwd: [workercoop] Fwd: Saskatoon, CA Co-op Conference Message-ID: <200701301543.47232.shawn@freegeek.org> Thought you guys might be interested in this Canadian conference for co-ops. shawn in portland ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [pawc] Fwd: [workercoop] Fwd: Saskatoon, CA Co-op Conference Date: Tuesday 30 January 2007 13:53 From: Lori Burge To: PAWC Talk Co-op up in Canada... Begin forwarded message: > Begin forwarded message: >> From: Roger Herman >> Date: January 26, 2007 1:47:18 PM CST >> To: cooperative-bus at lists.services.wisc.edu >> Subject: Saskatoon Co-op Conference >> >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> Could you please send a message through your variuos list serves >> and networks that the deadline for submission of papers for the Co- >> operative Innovation: Influencing the Social Economy conference >> being held in Saskatoon this Spring has been extended to February >> 16, 2007. The call for papers and instuctions on how to submit a >> proposal can be found on the conference website at: >> >> www.usaskstudies.coop/socialeconomy/Congress2007 >> >> Feel free to distribute this information to whomever you wish. >> Thank you in advance for distributing this information. >> >> Roger Herman >> Research Officer >> Education, Outreach and Engagement >> Centre for the Study of Co-operatives >> University of Saskatchewan >> Tel: (306) 966-8506 >> Fax: (306) 966-8517 >> Web Site: http://www.usaskstudies.coop ------------------------------------------------------- From iamturnip at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 12:06:24 2007 From: iamturnip at gmail.com (David Repa) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:06:24 -0800 Subject: [FreeGeek] Re: [Fg-education] urgent linux clinic issue In-Reply-To: <45BECD2A.8050907@seanhill.ca> References: <8c0eafaa0701201101s90cd3eehc4d4f7dcdb79db7@mail.gmail.com> <200701201342.31470.humble@resist.ca> <1169426610.27098.32.camel@bowserj-laptop> <200701241455.53819.humble@resist.ca> <3d895eaf0701242229u149072c1h222e9bb31a08e004@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701282311y55748361m4c8d5a18d7768e02@mail.gmail.com> <8c0eafaa0701291659k5f85790dw181f09c73e8ccebc@mail.gmail.com> <45BECD2A.8050907@seanhill.ca> Message-ID: <8c0eafaa0701311206g5b5aaedfn8429e169a58ef40c@mail.gmail.com> Hello! We have a location for Windowsless Wednesday now. The good people at S.P.E.C rented us a room for the evening. The building is at 2150 Maple St. For more info check out their map page[1]. Please spread to word!! All the info/links are on our website. Also, please remember that our next meeting is this Saturday, Feb.3rd/2007. 1-3pm at Spartacus. [1]http://www.spec.bc.ca/about/map.php -- David 604-690-7372