[Blacklabcollective] Jan 26 show review

Sat Jan 28 15:36:22 PST 2017

I think Quinn you did a great job handling this and I wouldn't have done it
any different. I also read the responses in the facebook and thought Megan
handled it super well and they were def just being brattish back to you
when you were being super diplomatic. No one wants violence in the venue
but I think a punch on the arm with " have a nice night buddy" wasn't a
full on attack and if the other person agreed to stay clear of them and not
do it again I think that's the best we can do. If they said they wouldn't
leave how could we expect our bottom liners to grab the person and throw
them out. That's ok if you have back up etc but Quinn shouldn't have to be
put into that situation. I don't care also if they go public or try shaming
us, We did everything in the right way. If we wouldve physically thrown
them out we'd get in trouble for assault.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just so everyone is aware, i responded to the message that they sent
> (after checking in with quinn about what i planned to say) and they
> received it, and had some further complaints because of some of the words i
> used (i wrote kinda how i talk which is pretty slangy or whatever) and it
> looks like they maybe blocked us so like whatever maybe theyll do some
> public thing and maybe we won't be able to see it, personally i feel like i
> was extremely diplomatic about it and pretty nice. the messages are in the
> archived folder on our shared facebook. honestly i don't care if they try
> to like publicly shame us or call us out or something cause i think the
> situation is a little absurd.... not to be a dick but like, a punch in the
> arm isn't like a violent brutal assault or something, whatever. moving on.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
>> I also just realized there was this massive email thread and I read the
>> FB message.
>>
>> And I have to say, as a male-presenting serial abuser, I really think
>> this person should grow the fuck up if their ex punched them in the arm
>> once.
>>
>> "I feel like what happened last night was totally fucked up. To me, it
>> is unimaginable that she would be allowed to stay..."
>>
>> LIKE GOOD FUCKING GOD HAS ANYTHING BAD EVER HAPPENED TO THIS PERSON?!?!?!
>> WHY DON'T THEY JUST CALL THE FUCKING COPS ABOUT IT. GODDAMNIT. THIS IS LIKE
>> ACCOUNTABILITY POLITICS RUN AMOK.
>>
>> Could you imagine if they came and saw Cloaca and I punched them in the
>> arm? What then? Why don't we just ban punk?! In the words of Megan's mom
>> "shouldn't these people be listening to folk music?"
>>
>> /rant
>>
>> But seriously I have to bow out of this conversation, in the 7 years of
>> running this venue I've never heard anything so dumb.
>>
>> -Cunt
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
>> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* January 27, 2017 12:38 PM
>> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Jan 26 show review
>>
>> Yea that sounds very convoluted and like you said, you aren't a judge or
>> a cop nor should you have to play one. We do NOT have an explicit
>> anti-violence policy, really, but our safer spaces policy pretty clearly
>> says that we talk before we kick people out and that it takes repeated,
>> malicious behaviour to get kicked out. We specifically chose not to have
>> language in the policy around kicking out abusers because of stuff like
>> this and also because obviously we cannot understand the intricacies of
>> every interpersonal relationship of everyone in the space.
>>
>> But yea, it sounds like you handled it well, Quinn, and I'm sure it was
>> stressful. You did the right thing, though, by talking to both parties,
>> attempting to get a handle on the situation, asking them to leave etc. I
>> wouldn't have done anything differently. It's shitty that the person felt
>> like it wasn't handled well but you can't please everyone, to be frank. Did
>> they have any solutions as to how they would have preferred things to go
>> down? also feel free to forward them a link to the safer spaces policy if
>> they want clarity on our position http://theblacklabvancouver.tu
>> mblr.com/saferspaces
>> <http://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/saferspaces>
>> Safer Spaces <http://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/saferspaces>
>> theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com
>> The Black Lab is an anti-authoritarian, anti-oppressive DIY punk space
>> located in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver, which sits on unceded
>> Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh land. We aim to stand...
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh okay I guess I misunderstood, I thought there was violence happening
>>> in the space, but I guess it was unsubstantiated?  But ya, in my eyes
>>> that's pretty unnaceptable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Quinn Roseblade <
>>> quinn.roseblade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lou says there was a witness but I did not even go there. As I said,
>>>> I'm not some sort of judge.
>>>>
>>>> To clarify, I did not ultimately believe Tracy should have been asked
>>>> to leave. I talked to her about it, and I realized I wasn't capable of
>>>> being in that position. Things are way too complicated. I just made sure
>>>> they kept their distance and let them know they were both welcome to leave
>>>> if they had an issue because I couldn't get in the middle and attempt to
>>>> solve their relationship issues.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 27, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone see anything? Was there no security or other staff or even
>>>> pals around to back you up when they were refusing to leave? That sounds
>>>> fucked and super stressful!!! Sorry you had to deal with that!!! Also kind
>>>> of bums me out that noone backed you up in that situation, sounds like
>>>> something that could have really escalated, especially with the person
>>>> refusing to leave!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Quinn Roseblade <
>>>> quinn.roseblade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Totals from the show were:
>>>>> $190 Door
>>>>> $261.75 Bar
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a good show, bands ran smoothly and it ended at 11pm.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, there was an issue that has been brought to light in the
>>>>> Black Lab Facebook messages. Someone is claiming that I didn't handle a
>>>>> situation the way they wanted, and they are looking for someone to clarify
>>>>> Black Lab policy for them since they feel they were mistreated. I did my
>>>>> best, and feel like it was a hard situation to navigate.
>>>>>
>>>>> This person (Lou) says their ex walked by them and punched them, so
>>>>> they wanted that person (Tracy) to be asked to leave. I immediately talked
>>>>> to Tracy, who told me that Lou was her abusive ex and they were lying about
>>>>> any physical altercation. She said she wasn't going to leave, even if I
>>>>> thought she should, because she knew it wasn't fair. So I let Lou know
>>>>> there wasn't much else I could do, and mostly just tried to hear them out.
>>>>> Lou let me know they appreciated me talking to them, but they weren't
>>>>> satisfied with my response and think I should have made Tracy leave due to
>>>>> alleged physical violence.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not the police or a judge or whoever in this world seems to think
>>>>> they're qualified in being in the middle of these situations. It was really
>>>>> stressful to keep the show going on time while also dealing with this. I
>>>>> hope we can make this clear for people to avoid situations like this in the
>>>>> future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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