[Blacklabcollective] Jan 26 show review

Sat Feb 4 16:12:29 PST 2017

Thank you both so much for dealing with this! I think it was handled well.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 3:36 PM, mick mccann <nomoreroads at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think Quinn you did a great job handling this and I wouldn't have done
> it any different. I also read the responses in the facebook and thought
> Megan handled it super well and they were def just being brattish back to
> you when you were being super diplomatic. No one wants violence in the
> venue but I think a punch on the arm with " have a nice night buddy" wasn't
> a full on attack and if the other person agreed to stay clear of them and
> not do it again I think that's the best we can do. If they said they
> wouldn't leave how could we expect our bottom liners to grab the person and
> throw them out. That's ok if you have back up etc but Quinn shouldn't have
> to be put into that situation. I don't care also if they go public or try
> shaming us, We did everything in the right way. If we wouldve physically
> thrown them out we'd get in trouble for assault.
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Just so everyone is aware, i responded to the message that they sent
>> (after checking in with quinn about what i planned to say) and they
>> received it, and had some further complaints because of some of the words i
>> used (i wrote kinda how i talk which is pretty slangy or whatever) and it
>> looks like they maybe blocked us so like whatever maybe theyll do some
>> public thing and maybe we won't be able to see it, personally i feel like i
>> was extremely diplomatic about it and pretty nice. the messages are in the
>> archived folder on our shared facebook. honestly i don't care if they try
>> to like publicly shame us or call us out or something cause i think the
>> situation is a little absurd.... not to be a dick but like, a punch in the
>> arm isn't like a violent brutal assault or something, whatever. moving on.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I also just realized there was this massive email thread and I read the
>>> FB message.
>>>
>>> And I have to say, as a male-presenting serial abuser, I really think
>>> this person should grow the fuck up if their ex punched them in the arm
>>> once.
>>>
>>> "I feel like what happened last night was totally fucked up. To me, it
>>> is unimaginable that she would be allowed to stay..."
>>>
>>> LIKE GOOD FUCKING GOD HAS ANYTHING BAD EVER HAPPENED TO THIS
>>> PERSON?!?!?! WHY DON'T THEY JUST CALL THE FUCKING COPS ABOUT IT. GODDAMNIT.
>>> THIS IS LIKE ACCOUNTABILITY POLITICS RUN AMOK.
>>>
>>> Could you imagine if they came and saw Cloaca and I punched them in the
>>> arm? What then? Why don't we just ban punk?! In the words of Megan's mom
>>> "shouldn't these people be listening to folk music?"
>>>
>>> /rant
>>>
>>> But seriously I have to bow out of this conversation, in the 7 years of
>>> running this venue I've never heard anything so dumb.
>>>
>>> -Cunt
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
>>> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* January 27, 2017 12:38 PM
>>> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Jan 26 show review
>>>
>>> Yea that sounds very convoluted and like you said, you aren't a judge or
>>> a cop nor should you have to play one. We do NOT have an explicit
>>> anti-violence policy, really, but our safer spaces policy pretty clearly
>>> says that we talk before we kick people out and that it takes repeated,
>>> malicious behaviour to get kicked out. We specifically chose not to have
>>> language in the policy around kicking out abusers because of stuff like
>>> this and also because obviously we cannot understand the intricacies of
>>> every interpersonal relationship of everyone in the space.
>>>
>>> But yea, it sounds like you handled it well, Quinn, and I'm sure it was
>>> stressful. You did the right thing, though, by talking to both parties,
>>> attempting to get a handle on the situation, asking them to leave etc. I
>>> wouldn't have done anything differently. It's shitty that the person felt
>>> like it wasn't handled well but you can't please everyone, to be frank. Did
>>> they have any solutions as to how they would have preferred things to go
>>> down? also feel free to forward them a link to the safer spaces policy if
>>> they want clarity on our position http://theblacklabvancouver.tu
>>> mblr.com/saferspaces
>>> <http://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/saferspaces>
>>> Safer Spaces <http://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/saferspaces>
>>> theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com
>>> The Black Lab is an anti-authoritarian, anti-oppressive DIY punk space
>>> located in the Downtown Eastside of Vancouver, which sits on unceded
>>> Squamish, Musqueam, and Tsleil-Waututh land. We aim to stand...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh okay I guess I misunderstood, I thought there was violence happening
>>>> in the space, but I guess it was unsubstantiated?  But ya, in my eyes
>>>> that's pretty unnaceptable.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Quinn Roseblade <
>>>> quinn.roseblade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lou says there was a witness but I did not even go there. As I said,
>>>>> I'm not some sort of judge.
>>>>>
>>>>> To clarify, I did not ultimately believe Tracy should have been asked
>>>>> to leave. I talked to her about it, and I realized I wasn't capable of
>>>>> being in that position. Things are way too complicated. I just made sure
>>>>> they kept their distance and let them know they were both welcome to leave
>>>>> if they had an issue because I couldn't get in the middle and attempt to
>>>>> solve their relationship issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 27, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone see anything? Was there no security or other staff or even
>>>>> pals around to back you up when they were refusing to leave? That sounds
>>>>> fucked and super stressful!!! Sorry you had to deal with that!!! Also kind
>>>>> of bums me out that noone backed you up in that situation, sounds like
>>>>> something that could have really escalated, especially with the person
>>>>> refusing to leave!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Quinn Roseblade <
>>>>> quinn.roseblade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Totals from the show were:
>>>>>> $190 Door
>>>>>> $261.75 Bar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a good show, bands ran smoothly and it ended at 11pm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, there was an issue that has been brought to light in the
>>>>>> Black Lab Facebook messages. Someone is claiming that I didn't handle a
>>>>>> situation the way they wanted, and they are looking for someone to clarify
>>>>>> Black Lab policy for them since they feel they were mistreated. I did my
>>>>>> best, and feel like it was a hard situation to navigate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This person (Lou) says their ex walked by them and punched them, so
>>>>>> they wanted that person (Tracy) to be asked to leave. I immediately talked
>>>>>> to Tracy, who told me that Lou was her abusive ex and they were lying about
>>>>>> any physical altercation. She said she wasn't going to leave, even if I
>>>>>> thought she should, because she knew it wasn't fair. So I let Lou know
>>>>>> there wasn't much else I could do, and mostly just tried to hear them out.
>>>>>> Lou let me know they appreciated me talking to them, but they weren't
>>>>>> satisfied with my response and think I should have made Tracy leave due to
>>>>>> alleged physical violence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not the police or a judge or whoever in this world seems to
>>>>>> think they're qualified in being in the middle of these situations. It was
>>>>>> really stressful to keep the show going on time while also dealing with
>>>>>> this. I hope we can make this clear for people to avoid situations like
>>>>>> this in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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