[Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster

Tue Oct 18 19:55:27 PDT 2016

Everyone chill. The internet is a bad medium for this convo. Save it for
irl.

On Oct 18, 2016 7:48 PM, "Eris Nyx" <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:

> Well, the problem is that it's not actually offensive? I'm not saying
> don't change the poster but jeeze. Everyone I've talked to that's been into
> punk for a minute is like "no hahahahhah". I think it's kind of funny
> that we're so afraid of offending people or whatever. but sorry for going
> out of my way to actually talk to people though. Next time I won't take up
> too much space! I should really check my male socialization. [image: 😉]
>
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> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
> on behalf of Quinn Roseblade <quinn.roseblade at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* October 18, 2016 7:41 PM
> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
>
> What does anyone gain by being defensive and maintaining that they know
> what the poster *really* means? This is ridiculous. This person is not
> someone who calls out everything all day long because of potential triggers
> or someone who is unreasonable. The solution to change the poster is so
> simple and does not harm us. Keeping the poster the way it is does harm by
> having people even question whether it's sketchy. Why would we want the
> collective to be associated with potentially being sketchy? Not really
> interested in hearing more of your responses, Eris. Perhaps others can have
> a turn.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> I mean, the sketch is B/W and if the laces were black they wouldn't show
> up.
>
> I also talked to Tay, Tony and Annie about this and all feel like it's
> pretty silly.
>
> "I think that's ridiculous personally... It's black and white how could
> it possibly be construed that way? Most of the traditional Nazi colors(like
> laces etc) aren't even really used now. I dunno that's really silly.  And
> the skinhead style doesn't = Nazi. If it had iron cross or confederate glad
> or swastikas on it then yea but it doesn't. It's super unreasonable And I
> mean sounds like they just want to have a problem with something in which
> case they won't listen to anyone." - Annie
>
> See the attached pic for what the people that lit that guy on fire
> actually look like.
>
>
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> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
> on behalf of mick mccann <nomoreroads at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* October 18, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
>
> Also there's many of bands who come through who used skinhead imagery/skin
> members, are we going to have to filter all skinhead imagery from the black
> lab? I think adding some anti racist/s.h.a.r.p. logos to the poster is a
> good idea which is what a lot of oi bands seem to do but how far are we
> going with anything Skinhead related. I'm cool with changing the poster but
> don't want it going to an anti skinhead banning thing if that makes sense.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I actually already messaged Laura and asked her to hit me up when she has
> a minute to chat. I think we should offer her, the artist who originally
> hand drew that poster, the chance to edit it or make a new one? But we
> should discuss it with a time limit tomorrow as well. Changing a poster
> isn't a big deal. I really appreciate all your input on this.
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Quinn Roseblade <quinn.roseblade at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I suggest we address this in a productive way in the meeting tomorrow. I
> have a strong opinion about this but I'm really not interested in battling
> it out. We should just briefly bring up some points and then vote if we
> don't agree. I'm dreading the overpowering talk here and I think it can be
> really damaging. Just want people to consider that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:21 PM, mick mccann <nomoreroads at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think I replied to my message to
> Quick and wasn't being mindful of their feelings. I was only thinking from
> my perception of skins, working on being more mindful . My apologies for
> that.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> Incidentally, the person set on fire on the drive was Filipino not native?
>
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> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
> on behalf of Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* October 18, 2016 12:37 PM
> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
>
> Maybe I can just ask Laura to add something clearly anti fascist to the
> poster? Might be easier than making a new poster to keep peace? And yeah I
> agree, I like and respect the people raising these criticisms and wouldn't
> want to trigger anyone.
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> I'm like totally chill and actually laughing about this. I see what you're
> saying. Idk. If you think it's a bad idea to have something that vaguely
> could be construed as Nazi because of our space politics I get it. But I
> honestly think the political causality that leads there is kind of wack. ☮
>
>
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> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* October 18, 2016 12:24 PM
> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
>
>
> Chill out I never said anything about banning anything. I think it's an ok
> poster but I don't think it's ok to completely write off someone who isn't
> white being like, woah wtf is up with this shit?! Everyone in our
> collective currently are white and it's not a bad thing to listen
> sometimes. White ppl miss a lot of shit that can be racist, intentional or
> not... do I think the poster is inherently sketchy? Nah. But I do think
> it's shitty to be dismissive of people who have different lived experiences
> than me. And Gabe isn't some shitty hipster. I think the poster is fine
> overall, but that it probably was an oversight/ not an ideal design choice
> to have em wearing white laces n shit as that's a classic nazi skin
> signifier.
>
> On Oct 18, 2016 12:16 PM, "Eris Nyx" <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
>> I don't honestly think this poster is a real problem... But I think we
>> sit on polar opposite sides of this discussion Megan. Are we seriously
>> supposed to ban anything that might hint at something offensive? Did the
>> racist skinheads who set that person on fire wear jack-o-lanterns on their
>> heads? Did they wear white jeans? I like kind of doubt it. Are we supposed
>> to ban anything with vaguely skinhead aesthetics? I don't like skinheads
>> and think they look stupid, but seriously? And IMHO it's hard to
>> distinguish which people are Nazi's generally from the general populace?
>>
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>> *From:* Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca>
>> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* October 18, 2016 12:11 PM
>> *To:* blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>> *Subject:* Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
>>
>>
>> That's Gabe, she's very rad. I dunno, I don't think it's ridiculous
>> necessarily, I think because I know Laura, I know she wouldn't have put
>> nazi skins on a black lab poster, but I guess that's my main issue w
>> skinheads irl-- I find it hard sometimes to distinguish which ones are
>> Nazis vs which ones are regs, esp cause a lot of non full on racist skins
>> still wear vaguely nationalist imagery n stuff... I guess white laces are
>> def nazi skin style too so there is that.
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2016 12:02 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay so I kind of can't help but think think this is pretty ridiculous
>>> but apparently someone is quite upset with our Halloween poster. I took a
>>> couple screen shots last night when juls brought it to my attention but she
>>> has since taken the post down with just that third screen shot that she
>>> sent me. Collective thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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