[Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster

Tue Oct 18 19:41:23 PDT 2016

What does anyone gain by being defensive and maintaining that they know what the poster *really* means? This is ridiculous. This person is not someone who calls out everything all day long because of potential triggers or someone who is unreasonable. The solution to change the poster is so simple and does not harm us. Keeping the poster the way it is does harm by having people even question whether it's sketchy. Why would we want the collective to be associated with potentially being sketchy? Not really interested in hearing more of your responses, Eris. Perhaps others can have a turn. 

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> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:04 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
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> I mean, the sketch is B/W and if the laces were black they wouldn't show up.
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> I also talked to Tay, Tony and Annie about this and all feel like it's pretty silly.
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> "I think that's ridiculous personally... It's black and white how could it possibly be construed that way? Most of the traditional Nazi colors(like laces etc) aren't even really used now. I dunno that's really silly.  And the skinhead style doesn't = Nazi. If it had iron cross or confederate glad or swastikas on it then yea but it doesn't. It's super unreasonable And I mean sounds like they just want to have a problem with something in which case they won't listen to anyone." - Annie
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> See the attached pic for what the people that lit that guy on fire actually look like.
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> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of mick mccann <nomoreroads at gmail.com>
> Sent: October 18, 2016 6:48 PM
> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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> Also there's many of bands who come through who used skinhead imagery/skin members, are we going to have to filter all skinhead imagery from the black lab? I think adding some anti racist/s.h.a.r.p. logos to the poster is a good idea which is what a lot of oi bands seem to do but how far are we going with anything Skinhead related. I'm cool with changing the poster but don't want it going to an anti skinhead banning thing if that makes sense. 
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> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I actually already messaged Laura and asked her to hit me up when she has a minute to chat. I think we should offer her, the artist who originally hand drew that poster, the chance to edit it or make a new one? But we should discuss it with a time limit tomorrow as well. Changing a poster isn't a big deal. I really appreciate all your input on this. 
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>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:15 PM, Quinn Roseblade <quinn.roseblade at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I suggest we address this in a productive way in the meeting tomorrow. I have a strong opinion about this but I'm really not interested in battling it out. We should just briefly bring up some points and then vote if we don't agree. I'm dreading the overpowering talk here and I think it can be really damaging. Just want people to consider that.
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>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 2:21 PM, mick mccann <nomoreroads at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> I think I replied to my message to
>>>> Quick and wasn't being mindful of their feelings. I was only thinking from my perception of skins, working on being more mindful . My apologies for that. 
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>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
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>>>>> Incidentally, the person set on fire on the drive was Filipino not native?
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>>>>> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Sent: October 18, 2016 12:37 PM
>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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>>>>> Maybe I can just ask Laura to add something clearly anti fascist to the poster? Might be easier than making a new poster to keep peace? And yeah I agree, I like and respect the people raising these criticisms and wouldn't want to trigger anyone. 
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>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
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>>>>>> I'm like totally chill and actually laughing about this. I see what you're saying. Idk. If you think it's a bad idea to have something that vaguely could be construed as Nazi because of our space politics I get it. But I honestly think the political causality that leads there is kind of wack. ☮ 
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>>>>>> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Sent: October 18, 2016 12:24 PM
>>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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>>>>>> Chill out I never said anything about banning anything. I think it's an ok poster but I don't think it's ok to completely write off someone who isn't white being like, woah wtf is up with this shit?! Everyone in our collective currently are white and it's not a bad thing to listen sometimes. White ppl miss a lot of shit that can be racist, intentional or not... do I think the poster is inherently sketchy? Nah. But I do think it's shitty to be dismissive of people who have different lived experiences than me. And Gabe isn't some shitty hipster. I think the poster is fine overall, but that it probably was an oversight/ not an ideal design choice to have em wearing white laces n shit as that's a classic nazi skin signifier. 
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>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016 12:16 PM, "Eris Nyx" <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't honestly think this poster is a real problem... But I think we sit on polar opposite sides of this discussion Megan. Are we seriously supposed to ban anything that might hint at something offensive? Did the racist skinheads who set that person on fire wear jack-o-lanterns on their heads? Did they wear white jeans? I like kind of doubt it. Are we supposed to ban anything with vaguely skinhead aesthetics? I don't like skinheads and think they look stupid, but seriously? And IMHO it's hard to distinguish which people are Nazi's generally from the general populace? 
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>>>>>>> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: October 18, 2016 12:11 PM
>>>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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>>>>>>> That's Gabe, she's very rad. I dunno, I don't think it's ridiculous necessarily, I think because I know Laura, I know she wouldn't have put nazi skins on a black lab poster, but I guess that's my main issue w skinheads irl-- I find it hard sometimes to distinguish which ones are Nazis vs which ones are regs, esp cause a lot of non full on racist skins still wear vaguely nationalist imagery n stuff... I guess white laces are def nazi skin style too so there is that.
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>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2016 12:02 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Okay so I kind of can't help but think think this is pretty ridiculous but apparently someone is quite upset with our Halloween poster. I took a couple screen shots last night when juls brought it to my attention but she has since taken the post down with just that third screen shot that she sent me. Collective thoughts?
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