[Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster

[mick mccann]

I think it's good to listen to what everyone says but their braces are black and they're clearly drawn up like trade skins. There's clearly no racist imagery on them (iron crosses, SS shit) so I don't think we should have to change it. If they're only connection to skinheads is mainstream television I could see where they'd get offended but I grew up with a million Irish/English skinheads and these resemble no racist/nazi imagery. She's prob a cool person for sure but I don't agree with them on this one

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> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Maybe I can just ask Laura to add something clearly anti fascist to the poster? Might be easier than making a new poster to keep peace? And yeah I agree, I like and respect the people raising these criticisms and wouldn't want to trigger anyone. 
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>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:29 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
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>> I'm like totally chill and actually laughing about this. I see what you're saying. Idk. If you think it's a bad idea to have something that vaguely could be construed as Nazi because of our space politics I get it. But I honestly think the political causality that leads there is kind of wack. ☮ 
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>> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>> Sent: October 18, 2016 12:24 PM
>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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>> Chill out I never said anything about banning anything. I think it's an ok poster but I don't think it's ok to completely write off someone who isn't white being like, woah wtf is up with this shit?! Everyone in our collective currently are white and it's not a bad thing to listen sometimes. White ppl miss a lot of shit that can be racist, intentional or not... do I think the poster is inherently sketchy? Nah. But I do think it's shitty to be dismissive of people who have different lived experiences than me. And Gabe isn't some shitty hipster. I think the poster is fine overall, but that it probably was an oversight/ not an ideal design choice to have em wearing white laces n shit as that's a classic nazi skin signifier. 
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>>> On Oct 18, 2016 12:16 PM, "Eris Nyx" <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>> I don't honestly think this poster is a real problem... But I think we sit on polar opposite sides of this discussion Megan. Are we seriously supposed to ban anything that might hint at something offensive? Did the racist skinheads who set that person on fire wear jack-o-lanterns on their heads? Did they wear white jeans? I like kind of doubt it. Are we supposed to ban anything with vaguely skinhead aesthetics? I don't like skinheads and think they look stupid, but seriously? And IMHO it's hard to distinguish which people are Nazi's generally from the general populace? 
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>>> From: Blacklabcollective <blacklabcollective-bounces at lists.resist.ca> on behalf of Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: October 18, 2016 12:11 PM
>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Halloween poster
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>>> That's Gabe, she's very rad. I dunno, I don't think it's ridiculous necessarily, I think because I know Laura, I know she wouldn't have put nazi skins on a black lab poster, but I guess that's my main issue w skinheads irl-- I find it hard sometimes to distinguish which ones are Nazis vs which ones are regs, esp cause a lot of non full on racist skins still wear vaguely nationalist imagery n stuff... I guess white laces are def nazi skin style too so there is that.
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>>>> On Oct 18, 2016 12:02 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Okay so I kind of can't help but think think this is pretty ridiculous but apparently someone is quite upset with our Halloween poster. I took a couple screen shots last night when juls brought it to my attention but she has since taken the post down with just that third screen shot that she sent me. Collective thoughts?
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