[Blacklabcollective] Divide and Dissolve show

Tue May 24 14:41:52 PDT 2016

That all sounds really crummy buds, sorry you had to deal with that!

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Austin Simpson <waustinsimpson at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will say, however, that busting my ass for almost seven hours and then
> being lectured by an able bodied person because my efforts weren't good
> enough REALLY FUCKING PISSED ME OFF. I'm STILL limping today, and my boss
> wants to send me home early, so this show is now officially costing me
> money.
>
> I mean, I'll also totally get over it, it's just another indication of
> where this particular scenes head is at.
> On May 24, 2016 12:20 PM, "Austin Simpson" <waustinsimpson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, that was unnecessary and bitter. I shouldn't have said that.
>> On May 24, 2016 12:19 PM, "Austin Simpson" <waustinsimpson at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The entire conversation felt assumption,  and an erasing of experiences
>>> by someone who's had their ass kissed so much they honestly think they shit
>>> gold.
>>> On May 24, 2016 11:54 AM, "Megan Speers" <speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, Tekiaya is a poc.
>>>> and yea, what happened was that she said that our collective is "a
>>>> bunch of white people" and i responded by saying that not everyone in our
>>>> collective was white. she then called into question me responding in that
>>>> way by asking how many poc are in the collective, and when i said one
>>>> currently, she said i was being fucked up and tokenizing by responding in
>>>> that way. i said that i did not think it would be ok to erase the work and
>>>> contributions of poc collective member(s) (anju) and that that was why i
>>>> clarified that our collective isn't entirely white. she then said she feels
>>>> bad for you for being on this collective. which i thought was very fucking
>>>> shitty considering that she doesn't know you nor does she know anyone on
>>>> the collective. i couldn't really get a word in edgewise tbh. it sucked.
>>>> and yea, i think if she really wanted to speak to you about your
>>>> experiences as a poc on a mostly white collective that would make sense but
>>>> she seemed more interested in making assumptions. so. i dunno.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I find it pretty fucking offensive that this person is bitching about
>>>>> racial diversity in our collective. I have tried, and my contributions are
>>>>> still very valid and take up lots of space and I work really hard to take
>>>>> up that space, if that person (who - are they a poc??) has concerns maybe
>>>>> they can talk to me about my experience in the collective and my work and
>>>>> efforts to maintain diversity and that voices are heard.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest sounds awful too. The race thing is a personal point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2016, Austin Simpson <waustinsimpson at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The whole thing about race, while a VERY REAL THING in the wider
>>>>>> scope of punk rock, in the context of the conversation felt like a red
>>>>>> herring. This wasn't about race, it was about Tekiaya's friend fucking up
>>>>>> big time, and we got the shit end of the stick because they didn't want to
>>>>>> yell at Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 24, 2016 9:43 AM, "Megan Speers" <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > yea. just echoing austin's sentiments. I'm pretty pissed about how
>>>>>> that played out, and once i cool down a bit i'll be getting in touch with
>>>>>> Kim to let them know that it was super not ok.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > to be clear, what happened was that Kim did not check in with or
>>>>>> ask about what our money policy is at all. i think because they've done
>>>>>> shows at black lab before we probably assumed that they had an
>>>>>> understanding of that already, but evidently they either forgot or didn't
>>>>>> think it was important to ask/communicate this.... so when the end of the
>>>>>> night rolled around, they asked what the money policy and paid the bands,
>>>>>> and the guitar player from divide and dissolve, tekiaya, was quite unhappy
>>>>>> with the amount that they were paid. i tried to have a conversation with
>>>>>> her and explain why we take a cut of the door, etc., and apologized that
>>>>>> the policy wasn't communicated in advance (though it wasn't my actions that
>>>>>> caused this...). she then had a litany of complaints, felt that the policy
>>>>>> isn't sustainable, that we as a mostly white collective should have access
>>>>>> to money through grants and so forth and basically felt that we are
>>>>>> sketchy, that we have bad sound, and that she would never play at black lab
>>>>>> again. she was extremely unhappy with the situation, and ranted at me for a
>>>>>> pretty long time about a variety of things. I guess the most relevant thing
>>>>>> she was upset about is the lack of racial diversity on the collective, that
>>>>>> is definitely something that rung true in among the other things she was
>>>>>> upset about. anyways as far as that actual conversation goes, i can debrief
>>>>>> in more detail when we have our meeting (she requested that i do so).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > HOWEVER. having said all that. kim fucked up big time and it really
>>>>>> wasn't ok. obviously as the promoter it was their responsibility to check
>>>>>> in about money, to communicate this to the bands, and to ensure they were
>>>>>> comfortable with it. had they asked, we could have easily let them know
>>>>>> that monday night shows are pretty tough and don't make a lot of money,
>>>>>> they basically dropped the ball repeatedly (not to mention what austin said
>>>>>> above). they also chose to put on purple hearts social club, despite them
>>>>>> needing to also get paid, which they didn't tell us til the end of the
>>>>>> night (they are a local group and there were already two touring bands,
>>>>>> monday night, would have advised against that for sure). on top of that,
>>>>>> while this conversation was happening with tekiaya, they completely lacked
>>>>>> any accountability for their actions, and just wandered around dealing with
>>>>>> gear instead of speaking up (they definitely were aware of the fact that
>>>>>> that was what tekiaya was speaking to me about) and admitting that they
>>>>>> were responsible for the money communication... leaving me holding the bag
>>>>>> and apologizing for something that wasn't my doing. they came up to me
>>>>>> after tekiaya had walked away and dismissively said "i guess that's my
>>>>>> fault, sorry" but considering the dynamics of the situation it wasn't
>>>>>> really an appropriate response.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > i'm sorry for the long and ranty email, but i'm very upset at how
>>>>>> that played out, because of kim's actions i basically got to get reamed out
>>>>>> by a total stranger. and they at no point attempted to have my back or
>>>>>> mediate the situation, which they are in a very good position to do as the
>>>>>> promoter of the show and a friend of the person who was unhappy with the
>>>>>> outcome of the show.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > basically i am never going to work with kim again, and am probably
>>>>>> going to avoid even attending any more of their events. it sucked. im
>>>>>> bummed.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Austin Simpson <
>>>>>> waustinsimpson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> So, last night we made $169. I picked up beer and cider, and we
>>>>>> didn't sell that much so we're pretty stocked up.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I'm pretty angry about how this show went. Kim didn't contact me
>>>>>> until the morning of the show, did NOT have enough volunteers,  and
>>>>>> basically just dropped the ball hard. At the end of the night they left
>>>>>> Megan and I to be yelled at by the members of Divide and Dissolve because
>>>>>> we took 50% of the door, and took no responsibility for their shitty
>>>>>> promoting. I'm not particularly interested in doing shows for that band or
>>>>>> for Kim any more.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
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