[Blacklabcollective] Divide and Dissolve show

Tue May 24 12:20:20 PDT 2016

Sorry, that was unnecessary and bitter. I shouldn't have said that.
On May 24, 2016 12:19 PM, "Austin Simpson" <waustinsimpson at gmail.com> wrote:

> The entire conversation felt assumption,  and an erasing of experiences by
> someone who's had their ass kissed so much they honestly think they shit
> gold.
> On May 24, 2016 11:54 AM, "Megan Speers" <speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, Tekiaya is a poc.
>> and yea, what happened was that she said that our collective is "a bunch
>> of white people" and i responded by saying that not everyone in our
>> collective was white. she then called into question me responding in that
>> way by asking how many poc are in the collective, and when i said one
>> currently, she said i was being fucked up and tokenizing by responding in
>> that way. i said that i did not think it would be ok to erase the work and
>> contributions of poc collective member(s) (anju) and that that was why i
>> clarified that our collective isn't entirely white. she then said she feels
>> bad for you for being on this collective. which i thought was very fucking
>> shitty considering that she doesn't know you nor does she know anyone on
>> the collective. i couldn't really get a word in edgewise tbh. it sucked.
>> and yea, i think if she really wanted to speak to you about your
>> experiences as a poc on a mostly white collective that would make sense but
>> she seemed more interested in making assumptions. so. i dunno.
>>
>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I find it pretty fucking offensive that this person is bitching about
>>> racial diversity in our collective. I have tried, and my contributions are
>>> still very valid and take up lots of space and I work really hard to take
>>> up that space, if that person (who - are they a poc??) has concerns maybe
>>> they can talk to me about my experience in the collective and my work and
>>> efforts to maintain diversity and that voices are heard.
>>>
>>> The rest sounds awful too. The race thing is a personal point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 24 May 2016, Austin Simpson <waustinsimpson at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The whole thing about race, while a VERY REAL THING in the wider scope
>>>> of punk rock, in the context of the conversation felt like a red herring.
>>>> This wasn't about race, it was about Tekiaya's friend fucking up big time,
>>>> and we got the shit end of the stick because they didn't want to yell at
>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2016 9:43 AM, "Megan Speers" <speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> > yea. just echoing austin's sentiments. I'm pretty pissed about how
>>>> that played out, and once i cool down a bit i'll be getting in touch with
>>>> Kim to let them know that it was super not ok.
>>>> >
>>>> > to be clear, what happened was that Kim did not check in with or ask
>>>> about what our money policy is at all. i think because they've done shows
>>>> at black lab before we probably assumed that they had an understanding of
>>>> that already, but evidently they either forgot or didn't think it was
>>>> important to ask/communicate this.... so when the end of the night rolled
>>>> around, they asked what the money policy and paid the bands, and the guitar
>>>> player from divide and dissolve, tekiaya, was quite unhappy with the amount
>>>> that they were paid. i tried to have a conversation with her and explain
>>>> why we take a cut of the door, etc., and apologized that the policy wasn't
>>>> communicated in advance (though it wasn't my actions that caused this...).
>>>> she then had a litany of complaints, felt that the policy isn't
>>>> sustainable, that we as a mostly white collective should have access to
>>>> money through grants and so forth and basically felt that we are sketchy,
>>>> that we have bad sound, and that she would never play at black lab again.
>>>> she was extremely unhappy with the situation, and ranted at me for a pretty
>>>> long time about a variety of things. I guess the most relevant thing she
>>>> was upset about is the lack of racial diversity on the collective, that is
>>>> definitely something that rung true in among the other things she was upset
>>>> about. anyways as far as that actual conversation goes, i can debrief in
>>>> more detail when we have our meeting (she requested that i do so).
>>>> >
>>>> > HOWEVER. having said all that. kim fucked up big time and it really
>>>> wasn't ok. obviously as the promoter it was their responsibility to check
>>>> in about money, to communicate this to the bands, and to ensure they were
>>>> comfortable with it. had they asked, we could have easily let them know
>>>> that monday night shows are pretty tough and don't make a lot of money,
>>>> they basically dropped the ball repeatedly (not to mention what austin said
>>>> above). they also chose to put on purple hearts social club, despite them
>>>> needing to also get paid, which they didn't tell us til the end of the
>>>> night (they are a local group and there were already two touring bands,
>>>> monday night, would have advised against that for sure). on top of that,
>>>> while this conversation was happening with tekiaya, they completely lacked
>>>> any accountability for their actions, and just wandered around dealing with
>>>> gear instead of speaking up (they definitely were aware of the fact that
>>>> that was what tekiaya was speaking to me about) and admitting that they
>>>> were responsible for the money communication... leaving me holding the bag
>>>> and apologizing for something that wasn't my doing. they came up to me
>>>> after tekiaya had walked away and dismissively said "i guess that's my
>>>> fault, sorry" but considering the dynamics of the situation it wasn't
>>>> really an appropriate response.
>>>> >
>>>> > i'm sorry for the long and ranty email, but i'm very upset at how
>>>> that played out, because of kim's actions i basically got to get reamed out
>>>> by a total stranger. and they at no point attempted to have my back or
>>>> mediate the situation, which they are in a very good position to do as the
>>>> promoter of the show and a friend of the person who was unhappy with the
>>>> outcome of the show.
>>>> >
>>>> > basically i am never going to work with kim again, and am probably
>>>> going to avoid even attending any more of their events. it sucked. im
>>>> bummed.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Austin Simpson <
>>>> waustinsimpson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> >> So, last night we made $169. I picked up beer and cider, and we
>>>> didn't sell that much so we're pretty stocked up.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'm pretty angry about how this show went. Kim didn't contact me
>>>> until the morning of the show, did NOT have enough volunteers,  and
>>>> basically just dropped the ball hard. At the end of the night they left
>>>> Megan and I to be yelled at by the members of Divide and Dissolve because
>>>> we took 50% of the door, and took no responsibility for their shitty
>>>> promoting. I'm not particularly interested in doing shows for that band or
>>>> for Kim any more.
>>>> >>
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