[Blacklabcollective] long knife oct 27

Sun Oct 11 13:47:08 PDT 2015

I'm so sorry everyone! I didn't mean to send that, it was draft I was
working on and I was still thinking about it and getting facts.. Just
ignore it, but if you read it, my main concern is the shut down of
dialogue...  Let's discuss Tuesday.

On Sunday, October 11, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just read Rachel's post on Facebook about this, it's a pretty serious
> scenario.
>
> what's not sitting great with me is that legs attempted to have a
> conversation for clarification and feedback and was shut down. While I see
> Megan's point about limited emotional work, we all agree that when we
> engage in projects with particular folks, there will be necessary dialogue.
> And further, in this scenario, this guy was not the owner of the cobalt
> (which I thought), but rather a guy involved with cobalt that Vanessa would
> have to have a working relationship with.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 10, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Legs. :)
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to work the show if I can. Security preferably. Tuesday is my
>>> night off!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for clarifying, Legs. I didn't realize that she still was
>>>> booking shows there, I thought that it was more of a thing where she'd
>>>> worked there in the past. I hope I didn't come across as not trusting that
>>>> you had valid reasons for being hesitant, I just had no idea what was going
>>>> on and was confused, mostly, haha.
>>>>
>>>> It is totally frustrating that she wouldn't have that conversation with
>>>> you. I also feel that women tend to get the short end of things sometimes
>>>> and neither we nor she should feel obligated to take on the emotional
>>>> labour of dealing with some dudebro's shitty history of assaulting women--
>>>> it is up to him to deal with his shit, imo. i hate when we get stuck with
>>>> all the emotional work!
>>>>
>>>> Having said that I hope she stops booking shows there cause fuck that
>>>> place and that guy! what a ween.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i'll abstain from this decision, i trust everyone involved will make a
>>>>> good choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> i think legs made some good points. we should discuss at the meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, it's all good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no more objections about her booking through the black lab.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And just to clarify, the reason I had hesitations in the first place
>>>>>> is because she learned of the assault, the owners response, and subsequent
>>>>>> bragging on Facebook, and did not move her two upcoming shows from his
>>>>>> venue (Radioactivity tonight and Worriers Nov 10). I was not holding her
>>>>>> responsible for his actions, however felt like she should be accountable to
>>>>>> her decisions and choices made when she knew what he had done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I was also a bit miffed because I tried to start a dialogue with
>>>>>> her to which she did not respond.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From your email Lindsay, I would just say that, while it is out of
>>>>>> her control to make him accountable, it is in her control to choose how she
>>>>>> interacts with that club, that person, based on his actions, or in this
>>>>>> case, inactions and frank shitheadedness. In this case, her choice was to
>>>>>> not move those shows from the Cobalt, and continue to support him
>>>>>> indirectly, and directly, because of this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not saying I know the perfect way in which she should have
>>>>>> proceeded, I am only saying I am bummed that she chose to do nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if that's how Lana feels then I totally respect her feelings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please don't take this in any negative tone toward any of you, I only
>>>>>> wanted to explain myself so I don't seem like I'm witchunting, or whatever
>>>>>> verb you wanna use. I'm mostly tired of shitty dudes not being held
>>>>>> accountable to their shittiness because it might create drama, or ruin a
>>>>>> show, or whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I was mostly concerned that if we supported someone booking a
>>>>>> show at a venue we were involved in, how many reservations will that person
>>>>>> has against booking sketchy bands
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that clears things up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Legs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone else care to chime in? Legs? She wants to announce the show,
>>>>>>> it's coming up real quick. It would be cool if it didn't have to wait til
>>>>>>> Tuesday. Anyone that doesn't respond on the thread I'll call after work. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I personally feel like its fine, I had no idea that that was why ppl
>>>>>>> had hesitations about working with her. I agree that it's more about long
>>>>>>> knife than Vanessa, and also she shouldn't be held responsible for
>>>>>>> something her former employer did in my opinion. I'm in support of this
>>>>>>> show personally and I feel OK about a guarantee because I feel they have
>>>>>>> draw.
>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a long chat with Vanessa, she said those shows were booked
>>>>>>>> long before she heard of the owner's assault on our friend 5 years ago, and
>>>>>>>> that at that point she heard about it, she had already had a working
>>>>>>>> relationship with the owner that had been built over several years (though
>>>>>>>> after the assault and court case), which obviously complicates things. She
>>>>>>>> said she would talk to him and see if he is willing to reach out to Lana
>>>>>>>> and potentially apologize or try to make things right, but obviously that
>>>>>>>> is outside of her control. While her attitude towards the whole thing
>>>>>>>> wasn't the greatest in my eyes, i don't know if everyone can have the exact
>>>>>>>> same attitude towards everyone that acts fucked up as us all the time to be
>>>>>>>> something that we work with necessarily. She doesn't work for the Cobalt
>>>>>>>> anymore, either. I get the impression that her wanting to work with us is
>>>>>>>> part of her moving away from working with people like that as well. And
>>>>>>>> really, what bar/venue in the DTES doesn't have something sketchy about it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also talked to Lana, also at some length. She's very grateful to
>>>>>>>> Nathan for bringing this back to everyone's attention. Her frustrations lie
>>>>>>>> more with her friends that perform and attend shows there, rather than
>>>>>>>> relative strangers that work or have worked there. And although she thinks
>>>>>>>> it's pretty fucked that he has a successful business, good reputation, no
>>>>>>>> criminal record, and all of his own teeth, she said she doesn't hold
>>>>>>>> resentment or draw a hard line towards her friends that do perform or
>>>>>>>> attend there, because if she did she feels that she'd have to write off a
>>>>>>>> lot of people. She made clear she would not be bummed if we let Vanessa
>>>>>>>> help with a show at the BL and had no strong feelings about whether or not
>>>>>>>> we worked with her. Anyways, we can put off discussing this until the
>>>>>>>> meeting, but I just thought I would follow up with how those discussions
>>>>>>>> went.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oof. Punk politicing, eh? Exhausting. I still think that this show
>>>>>>>> is more about the touring band than the previous employer of the person
>>>>>>>> lining it up, but we can discuss it at the meeting on Tuesday. If it feels
>>>>>>>> to complicated, fuck it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> xo L
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leggo Sirens <
>>>>>>>> sirensongs604 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey y'all, Lindsay and I checked in, and Lindsay is gonna chat
>>>>>>>>> with vanessa and then update us I guess? I think that was what we said at
>>>>>>>>> the end of our phone convo. We were both at work so my brain is foggy lol.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Might be good to check in with legs, in case Vanessa did
>>>>>>>>>> something that we might not be stoked on?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Oh sorry, all that info is further down on the thread. Id be
>>>>>>>>>>> happy to bottom line the show, Vanessa would promote it (the part I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> like anyways). We gave iskra & storm of sedition a $400 guarantee for their
>>>>>>>>>>> ferry last year, long knife is flying to Japan so their costs are even
>>>>>>>>>>> higher. Oct. 27. Trying to figure out if we can find a heavier drawing
>>>>>>>>>>> opener but bishops green, vacant state, konform are all unavailable. Might
>>>>>>>>>>> ask mass grave. I think long knife is a pretty good drawing band? If people
>>>>>>>>>>> are no longer comfortable with the idea of a guarantee, it probably isn't
>>>>>>>>>>> too late for her to move it to a bar, but I still think we could do pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> well on it, even with a guarantee.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Leggo Sirens <
>>>>>>>>>>> sirensongs604 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should give them that guarantee, personally.
>>>>>>>>>>> When is the Long Knife show? I also have hang ups about working w/ Vanessa
>>>>>>>>>>> that I can discuss in private with any collective member.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey does anyone have thoughts about this? Vanessa would like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do it at Black Lab. The other bands lined up now are Laste Kaste & one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick's bands. Do you guys agree that Long Knife would probably have enough
>>>>>>>>>>>> draw to give them a guarantee of $300-$350?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI i told her that it probably makes sense to go with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option that pays them the most money, but that we might be able to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something out too, and that i would send this request to you all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) LK
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, tara myketiak <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taramyketiak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi weird proposition sort of. Interested in collective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember when Iskra & storm of sedition came and had ferry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs so we agreed to a minimum guarantee to cover their ferry costs that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went slightly above the 50/50 model?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was kind of thinking that might be something worth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking about with this Longknife show. The lineup isn't confirmed yet,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but they have a pretty strong draw and Vanessa is mostly nervous about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being able to pay bands well. Even if we made a guarantee of $300 or $350
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (which is how much she wants to pay them, and less than we promised iskra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that time), i think we would still take quite a bit from the door and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be a show that the black lab would likely make a solid chunk of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can follow up when I have more information on lineup but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it might be worth considering. What are people thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows who long knife is, right? here's their bandcamp just in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. nicest hardest working people poison idea worship from portland,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading out on a japan/australia tour at about 4am the night of the gig.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://longknife.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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