[Blacklabcollective] long knife oct 27

Sat Oct 10 20:35:43 PDT 2015

Thanks Legs. :)

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 5:16 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'd like to work the show if I can. Security preferably. Tuesday is my
> night off!
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for clarifying, Legs. I didn't realize that she still was booking
>> shows there, I thought that it was more of a thing where she'd worked there
>> in the past. I hope I didn't come across as not trusting that you had valid
>> reasons for being hesitant, I just had no idea what was going on and was
>> confused, mostly, haha.
>>
>> It is totally frustrating that she wouldn't have that conversation with
>> you. I also feel that women tend to get the short end of things sometimes
>> and neither we nor she should feel obligated to take on the emotional
>> labour of dealing with some dudebro's shitty history of assaulting women--
>> it is up to him to deal with his shit, imo. i hate when we get stuck with
>> all the emotional work!
>>
>> Having said that I hope she stops booking shows there cause fuck that
>> place and that guy! what a ween.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> i'll abstain from this decision, i trust everyone involved will make a
>>> good choice.
>>>
>>> i think legs made some good points. we should discuss at the meeting.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, it's all good.
>>>>
>>>> I have no more objections about her booking through the black lab.
>>>>
>>>> And just to clarify, the reason I had hesitations in the first place is
>>>> because she learned of the assault, the owners response, and subsequent
>>>> bragging on Facebook, and did not move her two upcoming shows from his
>>>> venue (Radioactivity tonight and Worriers Nov 10). I was not holding her
>>>> responsible for his actions, however felt like she should be accountable to
>>>> her decisions and choices made when she knew what he had done.
>>>>
>>>> Also I was also a bit miffed because I tried to start a dialogue with
>>>> her to which she did not respond.
>>>>
>>>> From your email Lindsay, I would just say that, while it is out of her
>>>> control to make him accountable, it is in her control to choose how she
>>>> interacts with that club, that person, based on his actions, or in this
>>>> case, inactions and frank shitheadedness. In this case, her choice was to
>>>> not move those shows from the Cobalt, and continue to support him
>>>> indirectly, and directly, because of this.
>>>>
>>>> I am not saying I know the perfect way in which she should have
>>>> proceeded, I am only saying I am bummed that she chose to do nothing.
>>>>
>>>> But if that's how Lana feels then I totally respect her feelings.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't take this in any negative tone toward any of you, I only
>>>> wanted to explain myself so I don't seem like I'm witchunting, or whatever
>>>> verb you wanna use. I'm mostly tired of shitty dudes not being held
>>>> accountable to their shittiness because it might create drama, or ruin a
>>>> show, or whatever.
>>>>
>>>> And I was mostly concerned that if we supported someone booking a show
>>>> at a venue we were involved in, how many reservations will that person has
>>>> against booking sketchy bands
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope that clears things up
>>>>
>>>> Legs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone else care to chime in? Legs? She wants to announce the show,
>>>>> it's coming up real quick. It would be cool if it didn't have to wait til
>>>>> Tuesday. Anyone that doesn't respond on the thread I'll call after work. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally feel like its fine, I had no idea that that was why ppl
>>>>> had hesitations about working with her. I agree that it's more about long
>>>>> knife than Vanessa, and also she shouldn't be held responsible for
>>>>> something her former employer did in my opinion. I'm in support of this
>>>>> show personally and I feel OK about a guarantee because I feel they have
>>>>> draw.
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a long chat with Vanessa, she said those shows were booked long
>>>>>> before she heard of the owner's assault on our friend 5 years ago, and that
>>>>>> at that point she heard about it, she had already had a working
>>>>>> relationship with the owner that had been built over several years (though
>>>>>> after the assault and court case), which obviously complicates things. She
>>>>>> said she would talk to him and see if he is willing to reach out to Lana
>>>>>> and potentially apologize or try to make things right, but obviously that
>>>>>> is outside of her control. While her attitude towards the whole thing
>>>>>> wasn't the greatest in my eyes, i don't know if everyone can have the exact
>>>>>> same attitude towards everyone that acts fucked up as us all the time to be
>>>>>> something that we work with necessarily. She doesn't work for the Cobalt
>>>>>> anymore, either. I get the impression that her wanting to work with us is
>>>>>> part of her moving away from working with people like that as well. And
>>>>>> really, what bar/venue in the DTES doesn't have something sketchy about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also talked to Lana, also at some length. She's very grateful to
>>>>>> Nathan for bringing this back to everyone's attention. Her frustrations lie
>>>>>> more with her friends that perform and attend shows there, rather than
>>>>>> relative strangers that work or have worked there. And although she thinks
>>>>>> it's pretty fucked that he has a successful business, good reputation, no
>>>>>> criminal record, and all of his own teeth, she said she doesn't hold
>>>>>> resentment or draw a hard line towards her friends that do perform or
>>>>>> attend there, because if she did she feels that she'd have to write off a
>>>>>> lot of people. She made clear she would not be bummed if we let Vanessa
>>>>>> help with a show at the BL and had no strong feelings about whether or not
>>>>>> we worked with her. Anyways, we can put off discussing this until the
>>>>>> meeting, but I just thought I would follow up with how those discussions
>>>>>> went.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oof. Punk politicing, eh? Exhausting. I still think that this show is
>>>>>> more about the touring band than the previous employer of the person lining
>>>>>> it up, but we can discuss it at the meeting on Tuesday. If it feels to
>>>>>> complicated, fuck it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> xo L
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey y'all, Lindsay and I checked in, and Lindsay is gonna chat with
>>>>>>> vanessa and then update us I guess? I think that was what we said at the
>>>>>>> end of our phone convo. We were both at work so my brain is foggy lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Might be good to check in with legs, in case Vanessa did something
>>>>>>>> that we might not be stoked on?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh sorry, all that info is further down on the thread. Id be happy
>>>>>>>>> to bottom line the show, Vanessa would promote it (the part I don't like
>>>>>>>>> anyways). We gave iskra & storm of sedition a $400 guarantee for their
>>>>>>>>> ferry last year, long knife is flying to Japan so their costs are even
>>>>>>>>> higher. Oct. 27. Trying to figure out if we can find a heavier drawing
>>>>>>>>> opener but bishops green, vacant state, konform are all unavailable. Might
>>>>>>>>> ask mass grave. I think long knife is a pretty good drawing band? If people
>>>>>>>>> are no longer comfortable with the idea of a guarantee, it probably isn't
>>>>>>>>> too late for her to move it to a bar, but I still think we could do pretty
>>>>>>>>> well on it, even with a guarantee.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should give them that guarantee, personally. When
>>>>>>>>> is the Long Knife show? I also have hang ups about working w/ Vanessa that
>>>>>>>>> I can discuss in private with any collective member.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey does anyone have thoughts about this? Vanessa would like to
>>>>>>>>>> do it at Black Lab. The other bands lined up now are Laste Kaste & one of
>>>>>>>>>> Mick's bands. Do you guys agree that Long Knife would probably have enough
>>>>>>>>>> draw to give them a guarantee of $300-$350?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FYI i told her that it probably makes sense to go with the
>>>>>>>>>>> option that pays them the most money, but that we might be able to work
>>>>>>>>>>> something out too, and that i would send this request to you all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> :) LK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, tara myketiak <
>>>>>>>>>>> taramyketiak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi weird proposition sort of. Interested in collective
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember when Iskra & storm of sedition came and had ferry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs so we agreed to a minimum guarantee to cover their ferry costs that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> went slightly above the 50/50 model?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was kind of thinking that might be something worth thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about with this Longknife show. The lineup isn't confirmed yet, but they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a pretty strong draw and Vanessa is mostly nervous about being able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay bands well. Even if we made a guarantee of $300 or $350 (which is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much she wants to pay them, and less than we promised iskra that time), i
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think we would still take quite a bit from the door and it would be a show
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the black lab would likely make a solid chunk of change on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can follow up when I have more information on lineup but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it might be worth considering. What are people thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows who long knife is, right? here's their bandcamp just in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> case. nicest hardest working people poison idea worship from portland,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading out on a japan/australia tour at about 4am the night of the gig.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://longknife.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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