[Blacklabcollective] long knife oct 27

Sat Oct 10 17:16:06 PDT 2015

I'd like to work the show if I can. Security preferably. Tuesday is my
night off!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying, Legs. I didn't realize that she still was booking
> shows there, I thought that it was more of a thing where she'd worked there
> in the past. I hope I didn't come across as not trusting that you had valid
> reasons for being hesitant, I just had no idea what was going on and was
> confused, mostly, haha.
>
> It is totally frustrating that she wouldn't have that conversation with
> you. I also feel that women tend to get the short end of things sometimes
> and neither we nor she should feel obligated to take on the emotional
> labour of dealing with some dudebro's shitty history of assaulting women--
> it is up to him to deal with his shit, imo. i hate when we get stuck with
> all the emotional work!
>
> Having said that I hope she stops booking shows there cause fuck that
> place and that guy! what a ween.
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i'll abstain from this decision, i trust everyone involved will make a
>> good choice.
>>
>> i think legs made some good points. we should discuss at the meeting.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, it's all good.
>>>
>>> I have no more objections about her booking through the black lab.
>>>
>>> And just to clarify, the reason I had hesitations in the first place is
>>> because she learned of the assault, the owners response, and subsequent
>>> bragging on Facebook, and did not move her two upcoming shows from his
>>> venue (Radioactivity tonight and Worriers Nov 10). I was not holding her
>>> responsible for his actions, however felt like she should be accountable to
>>> her decisions and choices made when she knew what he had done.
>>>
>>> Also I was also a bit miffed because I tried to start a dialogue with
>>> her to which she did not respond.
>>>
>>> From your email Lindsay, I would just say that, while it is out of her
>>> control to make him accountable, it is in her control to choose how she
>>> interacts with that club, that person, based on his actions, or in this
>>> case, inactions and frank shitheadedness. In this case, her choice was to
>>> not move those shows from the Cobalt, and continue to support him
>>> indirectly, and directly, because of this.
>>>
>>> I am not saying I know the perfect way in which she should have
>>> proceeded, I am only saying I am bummed that she chose to do nothing.
>>>
>>> But if that's how Lana feels then I totally respect her feelings.
>>>
>>> Please don't take this in any negative tone toward any of you, I only
>>> wanted to explain myself so I don't seem like I'm witchunting, or whatever
>>> verb you wanna use. I'm mostly tired of shitty dudes not being held
>>> accountable to their shittiness because it might create drama, or ruin a
>>> show, or whatever.
>>>
>>> And I was mostly concerned that if we supported someone booking a show
>>> at a venue we were involved in, how many reservations will that person has
>>> against booking sketchy bands
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope that clears things up
>>>
>>> Legs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone else care to chime in? Legs? She wants to announce the show,
>>>> it's coming up real quick. It would be cool if it didn't have to wait til
>>>> Tuesday. Anyone that doesn't respond on the thread I'll call after work. :)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I personally feel like its fine, I had no idea that that was why ppl
>>>> had hesitations about working with her. I agree that it's more about long
>>>> knife than Vanessa, and also she shouldn't be held responsible for
>>>> something her former employer did in my opinion. I'm in support of this
>>>> show personally and I feel OK about a guarantee because I feel they have
>>>> draw.
>>>> On Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a long chat with Vanessa, she said those shows were booked long
>>>>> before she heard of the owner's assault on our friend 5 years ago, and that
>>>>> at that point she heard about it, she had already had a working
>>>>> relationship with the owner that had been built over several years (though
>>>>> after the assault and court case), which obviously complicates things. She
>>>>> said she would talk to him and see if he is willing to reach out to Lana
>>>>> and potentially apologize or try to make things right, but obviously that
>>>>> is outside of her control. While her attitude towards the whole thing
>>>>> wasn't the greatest in my eyes, i don't know if everyone can have the exact
>>>>> same attitude towards everyone that acts fucked up as us all the time to be
>>>>> something that we work with necessarily. She doesn't work for the Cobalt
>>>>> anymore, either. I get the impression that her wanting to work with us is
>>>>> part of her moving away from working with people like that as well. And
>>>>> really, what bar/venue in the DTES doesn't have something sketchy about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also talked to Lana, also at some length. She's very grateful to
>>>>> Nathan for bringing this back to everyone's attention. Her frustrations lie
>>>>> more with her friends that perform and attend shows there, rather than
>>>>> relative strangers that work or have worked there. And although she thinks
>>>>> it's pretty fucked that he has a successful business, good reputation, no
>>>>> criminal record, and all of his own teeth, she said she doesn't hold
>>>>> resentment or draw a hard line towards her friends that do perform or
>>>>> attend there, because if she did she feels that she'd have to write off a
>>>>> lot of people. She made clear she would not be bummed if we let Vanessa
>>>>> help with a show at the BL and had no strong feelings about whether or not
>>>>> we worked with her. Anyways, we can put off discussing this until the
>>>>> meeting, but I just thought I would follow up with how those discussions
>>>>> went.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oof. Punk politicing, eh? Exhausting. I still think that this show is
>>>>> more about the touring band than the previous employer of the person lining
>>>>> it up, but we can discuss it at the meeting on Tuesday. If it feels to
>>>>> complicated, fuck it.
>>>>>
>>>>> xo L
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey y'all, Lindsay and I checked in, and Lindsay is gonna chat with
>>>>>> vanessa and then update us I guess? I think that was what we said at the
>>>>>> end of our phone convo. We were both at work so my brain is foggy lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might be good to check in with legs, in case Vanessa did something
>>>>>>> that we might not be stoked on?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh sorry, all that info is further down on the thread. Id be happy
>>>>>>>> to bottom line the show, Vanessa would promote it (the part I don't like
>>>>>>>> anyways). We gave iskra & storm of sedition a $400 guarantee for their
>>>>>>>> ferry last year, long knife is flying to Japan so their costs are even
>>>>>>>> higher. Oct. 27. Trying to figure out if we can find a heavier drawing
>>>>>>>> opener but bishops green, vacant state, konform are all unavailable. Might
>>>>>>>> ask mass grave. I think long knife is a pretty good drawing band? If people
>>>>>>>> are no longer comfortable with the idea of a guarantee, it probably isn't
>>>>>>>> too late for her to move it to a bar, but I still think we could do pretty
>>>>>>>> well on it, even with a guarantee.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think we should give them that guarantee, personally. When
>>>>>>>> is the Long Knife show? I also have hang ups about working w/ Vanessa that
>>>>>>>> I can discuss in private with any collective member.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey does anyone have thoughts about this? Vanessa would like to do
>>>>>>>>> it at Black Lab. The other bands lined up now are Laste Kaste & one of
>>>>>>>>> Mick's bands. Do you guys agree that Long Knife would probably have enough
>>>>>>>>> draw to give them a guarantee of $300-$350?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FYI i told her that it probably makes sense to go with the option
>>>>>>>>>> that pays them the most money, but that we might be able to work something
>>>>>>>>>> out too, and that i would send this request to you all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :) LK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, tara myketiak <
>>>>>>>>>> taramyketiak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi weird proposition sort of. Interested in collective thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember when Iskra & storm of sedition came and had ferry
>>>>>>>>>>>> costs so we agreed to a minimum guarantee to cover their ferry costs that
>>>>>>>>>>>> went slightly above the 50/50 model?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was kind of thinking that might be something worth thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> about with this Longknife show. The lineup isn't confirmed yet, but they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a pretty strong draw and Vanessa is mostly nervous about being able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay bands well. Even if we made a guarantee of $300 or $350 (which is how
>>>>>>>>>>>> much she wants to pay them, and less than we promised iskra that time), i
>>>>>>>>>>>> think we would still take quite a bit from the door and it would be a show
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the black lab would likely make a solid chunk of change on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can follow up when I have more information on lineup but
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought it might be worth considering. What are people thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows who long knife is, right? here's their bandcamp just in
>>>>>>>>>>>> case. nicest hardest working people poison idea worship from portland,
>>>>>>>>>>>> heading out on a japan/australia tour at about 4am the night of the gig.
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://longknife.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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