[Blacklabcollective] long knife oct 27

Fri Oct 9 23:54:00 PDT 2015

i'll abstain from this decision, i trust everyone involved will make a good
choice.

i think legs made some good points. we should discuss at the meeting.

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yeah, it's all good.
>
> I have no more objections about her booking through the black lab.
>
> And just to clarify, the reason I had hesitations in the first place is
> because she learned of the assault, the owners response, and subsequent
> bragging on Facebook, and did not move her two upcoming shows from his
> venue (Radioactivity tonight and Worriers Nov 10). I was not holding her
> responsible for his actions, however felt like she should be accountable to
> her decisions and choices made when she knew what he had done.
>
> Also I was also a bit miffed because I tried to start a dialogue with her
> to which she did not respond.
>
> From your email Lindsay, I would just say that, while it is out of her
> control to make him accountable, it is in her control to choose how she
> interacts with that club, that person, based on his actions, or in this
> case, inactions and frank shitheadedness. In this case, her choice was to
> not move those shows from the Cobalt, and continue to support him
> indirectly, and directly, because of this.
>
> I am not saying I know the perfect way in which she should have proceeded,
> I am only saying I am bummed that she chose to do nothing.
>
> But if that's how Lana feels then I totally respect her feelings.
>
> Please don't take this in any negative tone toward any of you, I only
> wanted to explain myself so I don't seem like I'm witchunting, or whatever
> verb you wanna use. I'm mostly tired of shitty dudes not being held
> accountable to their shittiness because it might create drama, or ruin a
> show, or whatever.
>
> And I was mostly concerned that if we supported someone booking a show at
> a venue we were involved in, how many reservations will that person has
> against booking sketchy bands
>
>
> Hope that clears things up
>
> Legs
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone else care to chime in? Legs? She wants to announce the show, it's
>> coming up real quick. It would be cool if it didn't have to wait til
>> Tuesday. Anyone that doesn't respond on the thread I'll call after work. :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I personally feel like its fine, I had no idea that that was why ppl had
>> hesitations about working with her. I agree that it's more about long knife
>> than Vanessa, and also she shouldn't be held responsible for something her
>> former employer did in my opinion. I'm in support of this show personally
>> and I feel OK about a guarantee because I feel they have draw.
>> On Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> I had a long chat with Vanessa, she said those shows were booked long
>>> before she heard of the owner's assault on our friend 5 years ago, and that
>>> at that point she heard about it, she had already had a working
>>> relationship with the owner that had been built over several years (though
>>> after the assault and court case), which obviously complicates things. She
>>> said she would talk to him and see if he is willing to reach out to Lana
>>> and potentially apologize or try to make things right, but obviously that
>>> is outside of her control. While her attitude towards the whole thing
>>> wasn't the greatest in my eyes, i don't know if everyone can have the exact
>>> same attitude towards everyone that acts fucked up as us all the time to be
>>> something that we work with necessarily. She doesn't work for the Cobalt
>>> anymore, either. I get the impression that her wanting to work with us is
>>> part of her moving away from working with people like that as well. And
>>> really, what bar/venue in the DTES doesn't have something sketchy about it.
>>>
>>> I also talked to Lana, also at some length. She's very grateful to
>>> Nathan for bringing this back to everyone's attention. Her frustrations lie
>>> more with her friends that perform and attend shows there, rather than
>>> relative strangers that work or have worked there. And although she thinks
>>> it's pretty fucked that he has a successful business, good reputation, no
>>> criminal record, and all of his own teeth, she said she doesn't hold
>>> resentment or draw a hard line towards her friends that do perform or
>>> attend there, because if she did she feels that she'd have to write off a
>>> lot of people. She made clear she would not be bummed if we let Vanessa
>>> help with a show at the BL and had no strong feelings about whether or not
>>> we worked with her. Anyways, we can put off discussing this until the
>>> meeting, but I just thought I would follow up with how those discussions
>>> went.
>>>
>>> Oof. Punk politicing, eh? Exhausting. I still think that this show is
>>> more about the touring band than the previous employer of the person lining
>>> it up, but we can discuss it at the meeting on Tuesday. If it feels to
>>> complicated, fuck it.
>>>
>>> xo L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey y'all, Lindsay and I checked in, and Lindsay is gonna chat with
>>>> vanessa and then update us I guess? I think that was what we said at the
>>>> end of our phone convo. We were both at work so my brain is foggy lol.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Might be good to check in with legs, in case Vanessa did something
>>>>> that we might not be stoked on?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh sorry, all that info is further down on the thread. Id be happy to
>>>>>> bottom line the show, Vanessa would promote it (the part I don't like
>>>>>> anyways). We gave iskra & storm of sedition a $400 guarantee for their
>>>>>> ferry last year, long knife is flying to Japan so their costs are even
>>>>>> higher. Oct. 27. Trying to figure out if we can find a heavier drawing
>>>>>> opener but bishops green, vacant state, konform are all unavailable. Might
>>>>>> ask mass grave. I think long knife is a pretty good drawing band? If people
>>>>>> are no longer comfortable with the idea of a guarantee, it probably isn't
>>>>>> too late for her to move it to a bar, but I still think we could do pretty
>>>>>> well on it, even with a guarantee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we should give them that guarantee, personally. When is
>>>>>> the Long Knife show? I also have hang ups about working w/ Vanessa that I
>>>>>> can discuss in private with any collective member.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey does anyone have thoughts about this? Vanessa would like to do
>>>>>>> it at Black Lab. The other bands lined up now are Laste Kaste & one of
>>>>>>> Mick's bands. Do you guys agree that Long Knife would probably have enough
>>>>>>> draw to give them a guarantee of $300-$350?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FYI i told her that it probably makes sense to go with the option
>>>>>>>> that pays them the most money, but that we might be able to work something
>>>>>>>> out too, and that i would send this request to you all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :) LK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, tara myketiak <
>>>>>>>> taramyketiak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi weird proposition sort of. Interested in collective thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Remember when Iskra & storm of sedition came and had ferry costs
>>>>>>>>>> so we agreed to a minimum guarantee to cover their ferry costs that went
>>>>>>>>>> slightly above the 50/50 model?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was kind of thinking that might be something worth thinking
>>>>>>>>>> about with this Longknife show. The lineup isn't confirmed yet, but they
>>>>>>>>>> have a pretty strong draw and Vanessa is mostly nervous about being able to
>>>>>>>>>> pay bands well. Even if we made a guarantee of $300 or $350 (which is how
>>>>>>>>>> much she wants to pay them, and less than we promised iskra that time), i
>>>>>>>>>> think we would still take quite a bit from the door and it would be a show
>>>>>>>>>> that the black lab would likely make a solid chunk of change on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can follow up when I have more information on lineup but
>>>>>>>>>> thought it might be worth considering. What are people thoughts on this?
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone knows who long knife is, right? here's their bandcamp just in
>>>>>>>>>> case. nicest hardest working people poison idea worship from portland,
>>>>>>>>>> heading out on a japan/australia tour at about 4am the night of the gig.
>>>>>>>>>> https://longknife.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
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