[Blacklabcollective] long knife oct 27

Fri Oct 9 16:53:27 PDT 2015

Yeah, it's all good.

I have no more objections about her booking through the black lab.

And just to clarify, the reason I had hesitations in the first place is
because she learned of the assault, the owners response, and subsequent
bragging on Facebook, and did not move her two upcoming shows from his
venue (Radioactivity tonight and Worriers Nov 10). I was not holding her
responsible for his actions, however felt like she should be accountable to
her decisions and choices made when she knew what he had done.

Also I was also a bit miffed because I tried to start a dialogue with her
to which she did not respond.

>From your email Lindsay, I would just say that, while it is out of her
control to make him accountable, it is in her control to choose how she
interacts with that club, that person, based on his actions, or in this
case, inactions and frank shitheadedness. In this case, her choice was to
not move those shows from the Cobalt, and continue to support him
indirectly, and directly, because of this.

I am not saying I know the perfect way in which she should have proceeded,
I am only saying I am bummed that she chose to do nothing.

But if that's how Lana feels then I totally respect her feelings.

Please don't take this in any negative tone toward any of you, I only
wanted to explain myself so I don't seem like I'm witchunting, or whatever
verb you wanna use. I'm mostly tired of shitty dudes not being held
accountable to their shittiness because it might create drama, or ruin a
show, or whatever.

And I was mostly concerned that if we supported someone booking a show at a
venue we were involved in, how many reservations will that person has
against booking sketchy bands

Hope that clears things up

Legs

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone else care to chime in? Legs? She wants to announce the show, it's
> coming up real quick. It would be cool if it didn't have to wait til
> Tuesday. Anyone that doesn't respond on the thread I'll call after work. :)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I personally feel like its fine, I had no idea that that was why ppl had
> hesitations about working with her. I agree that it's more about long knife
> than Vanessa, and also she shouldn't be held responsible for something her
> former employer did in my opinion. I'm in support of this show personally
> and I feel OK about a guarantee because I feel they have draw.
> On Oct 8, 2015 6:21 PM, "Lindsay Kasting" <l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I had a long chat with Vanessa, she said those shows were booked long
>> before she heard of the owner's assault on our friend 5 years ago, and that
>> at that point she heard about it, she had already had a working
>> relationship with the owner that had been built over several years (though
>> after the assault and court case), which obviously complicates things. She
>> said she would talk to him and see if he is willing to reach out to Lana
>> and potentially apologize or try to make things right, but obviously that
>> is outside of her control. While her attitude towards the whole thing
>> wasn't the greatest in my eyes, i don't know if everyone can have the exact
>> same attitude towards everyone that acts fucked up as us all the time to be
>> something that we work with necessarily. She doesn't work for the Cobalt
>> anymore, either. I get the impression that her wanting to work with us is
>> part of her moving away from working with people like that as well. And
>> really, what bar/venue in the DTES doesn't have something sketchy about it.
>>
>> I also talked to Lana, also at some length. She's very grateful to Nathan
>> for bringing this back to everyone's attention. Her frustrations lie more
>> with her friends that perform and attend shows there, rather than relative
>> strangers that work or have worked there. And although she thinks it's
>> pretty fucked that he has a successful business, good reputation, no
>> criminal record, and all of his own teeth, she said she doesn't hold
>> resentment or draw a hard line towards her friends that do perform or
>> attend there, because if she did she feels that she'd have to write off a
>> lot of people. She made clear she would not be bummed if we let Vanessa
>> help with a show at the BL and had no strong feelings about whether or not
>> we worked with her. Anyways, we can put off discussing this until the
>> meeting, but I just thought I would follow up with how those discussions
>> went.
>>
>> Oof. Punk politicing, eh? Exhausting. I still think that this show is
>> more about the touring band than the previous employer of the person lining
>> it up, but we can discuss it at the meeting on Tuesday. If it feels to
>> complicated, fuck it.
>>
>> xo L
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey y'all, Lindsay and I checked in, and Lindsay is gonna chat with
>>> vanessa and then update us I guess? I think that was what we said at the
>>> end of our phone convo. We were both at work so my brain is foggy lol.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Might be good to check in with legs, in case Vanessa did something that
>>>> we might not be stoked on?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, October 7, 2015, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh sorry, all that info is further down on the thread. Id be happy to
>>>>> bottom line the show, Vanessa would promote it (the part I don't like
>>>>> anyways). We gave iskra & storm of sedition a $400 guarantee for their
>>>>> ferry last year, long knife is flying to Japan so their costs are even
>>>>> higher. Oct. 27. Trying to figure out if we can find a heavier drawing
>>>>> opener but bishops green, vacant state, konform are all unavailable. Might
>>>>> ask mass grave. I think long knife is a pretty good drawing band? If people
>>>>> are no longer comfortable with the idea of a guarantee, it probably isn't
>>>>> too late for her to move it to a bar, but I still think we could do pretty
>>>>> well on it, even with a guarantee.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 7, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we should give them that guarantee, personally. When is
>>>>> the Long Knife show? I also have hang ups about working w/ Vanessa that I
>>>>> can discuss in private with any collective member.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey does anyone have thoughts about this? Vanessa would like to do it
>>>>>> at Black Lab. The other bands lined up now are Laste Kaste & one of Mick's
>>>>>> bands. Do you guys agree that Long Knife would probably have enough draw to
>>>>>> give them a guarantee of $300-$350?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI i told her that it probably makes sense to go with the option
>>>>>>> that pays them the most money, but that we might be able to work something
>>>>>>> out too, and that i would send this request to you all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :) LK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 8:43 PM, tara myketiak <
>>>>>>> taramyketiak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 5:50 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi weird proposition sort of. Interested in collective thoughts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Remember when Iskra & storm of sedition came and had ferry costs
>>>>>>>>> so we agreed to a minimum guarantee to cover their ferry costs that went
>>>>>>>>> slightly above the 50/50 model?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was kind of thinking that might be something worth thinking
>>>>>>>>> about with this Longknife show. The lineup isn't confirmed yet, but they
>>>>>>>>> have a pretty strong draw and Vanessa is mostly nervous about being able to
>>>>>>>>> pay bands well. Even if we made a guarantee of $300 or $350 (which is how
>>>>>>>>> much she wants to pay them, and less than we promised iskra that time), i
>>>>>>>>> think we would still take quite a bit from the door and it would be a show
>>>>>>>>> that the black lab would likely make a solid chunk of change on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can follow up when I have more information on lineup but thought
>>>>>>>>> it might be worth considering. What are people thoughts on this? Everyone
>>>>>>>>> knows who long knife is, right? here's their bandcamp just in case. nicest
>>>>>>>>> hardest working people poison idea worship from portland, heading out on a
>>>>>>>>> japan/australia tour at about 4am the night of the gig.
>>>>>>>>> https://longknife.bandcamp.com/
>>>>>>>>>
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