[Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!

Tue Mar 3 14:23:04 PST 2015

Hi everyone,

Sorry for not responding til now, my life's been super hectic. I've read
everyone's input and I agree that this would probably be best discussed at
the next meeting, its a pretty big discussion. Anju, I also really
appreciate you doing this, it's a big job!

Thanks!

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:

> I agree about a meeting and don't think we should necessarily shy away
> from hiring a staff person even if it's not me. A position like that could
> help a lot of marginalized punx out. I think it's important that we don't
> deny that our space is operating in a capitalist marketplace even if we
> don't agree with it.
>
> Xo,
> -eris
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 18:36:29 -0800
> From: brendan.plummer at gmail.com
> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>
> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!
>
> Hello all,
>
> I think this is a really important topic, and I am glad it has come up. It
> has a lot to do with the collective vision for the space and for what the
> Black Lab is 'about.' Personally, I think that grant money would do wonders
> for keeping the space going for a long time, but in terms of hiring staff
> and potentially bringing things to code injects a lot of legality--and that
> is a really political thing, and I think that this would be a worthwhile
> discussion to have at a meeting. I would love to hear a little more where
> everyone is coming from on this.
>
>
> Take care,
>
> Brendan
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Some degree of legitimacy is important, though, because it will keep us
> from getting shut down. And more money will probably really lead to more
> work rather than less, ha. Anyways, yes, we should talk about all of this
> more, clearly.
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lets talk about it!
> Again I really appreciate and understand the effort in this. I just don't
> want you to work hard on the letter and then I come in and say "I don't
> like this or that" hahaha!
> Rafael.
>
> 2015-02-28 10:31 GMT-08:00 Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>:
>
> Thanks for your direct and honest response Raf. I am happy to do or not do
> this. For the record it is a lot of work to write them so we definitely
> need to be sure we want to do it or else let's not do it. And I respect
> your perspective. If people are ok to do the work to earn money how we do
> it that's great!!
>
> I think what you're describing is exactly what's happening. These grants
> will not keep it sketchy, it can't be.
>
> And for other examples, Maybe you are talking about the place in Aalborg
> denmark for example? And yes that would be the model. And yes it was the
> least interesting place to play.
>
> I can just do society stuff and leave grants alone. The grant im looking
> at is a new society grant for operating. We can keep them separate for sure!
>
> The reason grants require staffing is that grantors don't believe that
> projects are worth it to fund if they will fail or shut down. Their biggest
> assurance that we won't fail is to have someone paid to make sure it's
> running fine.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with Lindsay in this one. I think we should talk about this in the
> next meeting for a bit. If we start paying people the dynamics will change
> and I don't know if I want that. I think it is important to keep the space
> volunteered run. I don't want to be anybody's boss and also money sucks. My
> idea of the space is to have a space away from capitalism and government
> dynamics and closer to punk, DIY and autonomy. I am also really ignorant in
> the grant subject, I have more questions than anything. I would like to
> know what would need to be done by us in order to get the grants. I am not
> familiar at all with this kinds of processes. Like for example, do we have
> to be more legit or is just as simple as changing our legal name? Do we
> have to put a lot of work in order to get them? Stuff like putting exit
> signs, change or capacity, pay taxes, etc. Sorry for my ignorance, but I
> want to keep the space as sketchy as possible and closer to the punk
> community than to the government rules. I have been to many, many spaces
> like ours in Europe, South and North America and the lamest spaces, the
> least interesting ones are always the ones that get money from the
> government. I am just scared that we stop being cool :)
>
> One last thing, thanks Anju for doing all this work!!! I just need to read
> a bit more about the subject and hear what options do we have :P
>
> Excited!
>
> Rafael.
>
> 2015-02-25 17:21 GMT-08:00 Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>:
>
> I really don't like the idea of someone in the collective getting paid
> while everyone else doesn't because i feel like it puts differing values on
> our work, and we all work hard. Sorry Eris.
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Or if we could hire a maintenance person? That seems like the most needed
> "staff" cost to be honest. And I don't think any of us would mind getting
> paid for the time and energy we are putting into the space, either. :)
> Otherwise I don't care about taking money from anyone as long as the
> stipulations are realistic, but I trust your judgement there. For example,
> SBC just got $24,000 from the city, but it is exclusively for outside of
> the building and an awning. Don't we still need to get our society status
> sorted out before we can start accessing that stuff, though?
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> Yes, please give me a job. Where else will I work?
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:37:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!
> From: speers.megan at gmail.com
> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
> CC: erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>
>
> I was gona suggest Eris as the staff person as well, since she's on part
> time at OCB right now? makes sense to me. And/or any other collective
> member that would have an interest in being a staff person, if anyone else
> has interest in that position. I think it'd be better to hire someone from
> the collective! since we all work our butts off itd be cool if at least one
> of us is getting paid! :)
> I am ok with any of the above grants, though I think we should avoid
> taking money from other DTES agencies, so maybe the city/province/canada/bc
> arts council stuff would be more priority to me as opposed to DTES cultural
> infrastructure grants.
> thanks again anju for your work on this, it's very stoking.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Eris pass word is blacklabvancouver333
>
> you can make them :)
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>
> I would totally be willing to be the "staff member" or whatever if it
> means we get $$$.
>
> Also can someone make events for March's film nights:
> Wed March 11th - FILM NIGHT: Kids
> Wed March 25th - FILM NIGHT: Time is Illmatic
>
> ------------------------------
> From: aanjusingh at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:39:47 -0800
> Subject: Grants - input please!
> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca; erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>
>
> Hey all, I haven't managed to add Eris to the list yet so please add her
> when you email about space stuff for now.
>
> I want to know everyone's stand on grants. Talking to folks, it seems we
> are not agreed on whether we should apply for grants or not. Since writing
> grants is a shit load of work, i'll need to know where we stand on what
> types of grants we want to apply for and what you support me in writing for.
>
> It's not a good use of my time to keep asking back about specific grants,
> I'm quite busy, so it would be better for me to have direction and to check
> in on the basics and to go with it and apply. I just want to make sure I'm
> not applying for something and have it be rejected by the collective after
> i put work into it.
>
> One of the grants i'm looking at requires that a portion of funds go to
> staffing. This means hiring a part- or full-time person to run the
> operating side of things. If we aren't interested in having a staff member,
> then I need to remove these grants from my list. Operating grants will
> never be successful if there is no paid staff to run it. In fact, FYI, many
> grants won't be successful without the grantor knowing that someone is
> being paid to ensure that the project is completed and successful.
>
> Here are my questions:
>
> -Do we want to hire someone (from our collective or not) to work on stuff
> at the space?
> -Do we want to take money from the city?
> -Do we want to take money from the province?
> -Do we want to take money from the DTES cultural infrastructure grants?
> -Do we want to take money from the Canada Council for the Arts and BC
> Council for the Arts?
> -Are we ok with asking for money for festivals?
> -Are we ok with asking for money for workshops?
> -Are we ok with asking for money for community support
> (training/resources, especially technology).
>
> Thanks!
>
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