[Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!

Mon Mar 2 18:36:29 PST 2015

Hello all,

I think this is a really important topic, and I am glad it has come up. It
has a lot to do with the collective vision for the space and for what the
Black Lab is 'about.' Personally, I think that grant money would do wonders
for keeping the space going for a long time, but in terms of hiring staff
and potentially bringing things to code injects a lot of legality--and that
is a really political thing, and I think that this would be a worthwhile
discussion to have at a meeting. I would love to hear a little more where
everyone is coming from on this.

Take care,

Brendan

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Some degree of legitimacy is important, though, because it will keep us
> from getting shut down. And more money will probably really lead to more
> work rather than less, ha. Anyways, yes, we should talk about all of this
> more, clearly.
>
> On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Lets talk about it!
>> Again I really appreciate and understand the effort in this. I just don't
>> want you to work hard on the letter and then I come in and say "I don't
>> like this or that" hahaha!
>> Rafael.
>>
>> 2015-02-28 10:31 GMT-08:00 Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Thanks for your direct and honest response Raf. I am happy to do or not
>>> do this. For the record it is a lot of work to write them so we definitely
>>> need to be sure we want to do it or else let's not do it. And I respect
>>> your perspective. If people are ok to do the work to earn money how we do
>>> it that's great!!
>>>
>>> I think what you're describing is exactly what's happening. These grants
>>> will not keep it sketchy, it can't be.
>>>
>>> And for other examples, Maybe you are talking about the place in Aalborg
>>> denmark for example? And yes that would be the model. And yes it was the
>>> least interesting place to play.
>>>
>>> I can just do society stuff and leave grants alone. The grant im looking
>>> at is a new society grant for operating. We can keep them separate for sure!
>>>
>>> The reason grants require staffing is that grantors don't believe that
>>> projects are worth it to fund if they will fail or shut down. Their biggest
>>> assurance that we won't fail is to have someone paid to make sure it's
>>> running fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
>>> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with Lindsay in this one. I think we should talk about this in
>>>> the next meeting for a bit. If we start paying people the dynamics will
>>>> change and I don't know if I want that. I think it is important to keep the
>>>> space volunteered run. I don't want to be anybody's boss and also money
>>>> sucks. My idea of the space is to have a space away from capitalism and
>>>> government dynamics and closer to punk, DIY and autonomy. I am also really
>>>> ignorant in the grant subject, I have more questions than anything. I would
>>>> like to know what would need to be done by us in order to get the grants. I
>>>> am not familiar at all with this kinds of processes. Like for example, do
>>>> we have to be more legit or is just as simple as changing our legal name?
>>>> Do we have to put a lot of work in order to get them? Stuff like putting
>>>> exit signs, change or capacity, pay taxes, etc. Sorry for my ignorance, but
>>>> I want to keep the space as sketchy as possible and closer to the punk
>>>> community than to the government rules. I have been to many, many spaces
>>>> like ours in Europe, South and North America and the lamest spaces, the
>>>> least interesting ones are always the ones that get money from the
>>>> government. I am just scared that we stop being cool :)
>>>>
>>>> One last thing, thanks Anju for doing all this work!!! I just need to
>>>> read a bit more about the subject and hear what options do we have :P
>>>>
>>>> Excited!
>>>>
>>>> Rafael.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-25 17:21 GMT-08:00 Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I really don't like the idea of someone in the collective getting paid
>>>>> while everyone else doesn't because i feel like it puts differing values on
>>>>> our work, and we all work hard. Sorry Eris.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or if we could hire a maintenance person? That seems like the most
>>>>>> needed "staff" cost to be honest. And I don't think any of us would mind
>>>>>> getting paid for the time and energy we are putting into the space, either.
>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> Otherwise I don't care about taking money from anyone as long as the
>>>>>> stipulations are realistic, but I trust your judgement there. For example,
>>>>>> SBC just got $24,000 from the city, but it is exclusively for outside of
>>>>>> the building and an awning. Don't we still need to get our society status
>>>>>> sorted out before we can start accessing that stuff, though?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, please give me a job. Where else will I work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:37:10 -0800
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!
>>>>>>> From: speers.megan at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>>>>>> CC: erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was gona suggest Eris as the staff person as well, since she's on
>>>>>>> part time at OCB right now? makes sense to me. And/or any other collective
>>>>>>> member that would have an interest in being a staff person, if anyone else
>>>>>>> has interest in that position. I think it'd be better to hire someone from
>>>>>>> the collective! since we all work our butts off itd be cool if at least one
>>>>>>> of us is getting paid! :)
>>>>>>> I am ok with any of the above grants, though I think we should avoid
>>>>>>> taking money from other DTES agencies, so maybe the city/province/canada/bc
>>>>>>> arts council stuff would be more priority to me as opposed to DTES cultural
>>>>>>> infrastructure grants.
>>>>>>> thanks again anju for your work on this, it's very stoking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eris pass word is blacklabvancouver333
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can make them :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would totally be willing to be the "staff member" or whatever if
>>>>>>> it means we get $$$.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also can someone make events for March's film nights:
>>>>>>> Wed March 11th - FILM NIGHT: Kids
>>>>>>> Wed March 25th - FILM NIGHT: Time is Illmatic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: aanjusingh at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:39:47 -0800
>>>>>>> Subject: Grants - input please!
>>>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca; erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all, I haven't managed to add Eris to the list yet so please add
>>>>>>> her when you email about space stuff for now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I want to know everyone's stand on grants. Talking to folks, it
>>>>>>> seems we are not agreed on whether we should apply for grants or not. Since
>>>>>>> writing grants is a shit load of work, i'll need to know where we stand on
>>>>>>> what types of grants we want to apply for and what you support me in
>>>>>>> writing for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a good use of my time to keep asking back about specific
>>>>>>> grants, I'm quite busy, so it would be better for me to have direction and
>>>>>>> to check in on the basics and to go with it and apply. I just want to make
>>>>>>> sure I'm not applying for something and have it be rejected by the
>>>>>>> collective after i put work into it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of the grants i'm looking at requires that a portion of funds go
>>>>>>> to staffing. This means hiring a part- or full-time person to run the
>>>>>>> operating side of things. If we aren't interested in having a staff member,
>>>>>>> then I need to remove these grants from my list. Operating grants will
>>>>>>> never be successful if there is no paid staff to run it. In fact, FYI, many
>>>>>>> grants won't be successful without the grantor knowing that someone is
>>>>>>> being paid to ensure that the project is completed and successful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Do we want to hire someone (from our collective or not) to work on
>>>>>>> stuff at the space?
>>>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the city?
>>>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the province?
>>>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the DTES cultural infrastructure
>>>>>>> grants?
>>>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the Canada Council for the Arts and
>>>>>>> BC Council for the Arts?
>>>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for festivals?
>>>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for workshops?
>>>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for community support
>>>>>>> (training/resources, especially technology).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Anju Singh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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