[Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!

Sat Feb 28 18:36:01 PST 2015

Lets talk about it!
Again I really appreciate and understand the effort in this. I just don't
want you to work hard on the letter and then I come in and say "I don't
like this or that" hahaha!
Rafael.

2015-02-28 10:31 GMT-08:00 Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>:

> Thanks for your direct and honest response Raf. I am happy to do or not do
> this. For the record it is a lot of work to write them so we definitely
> need to be sure we want to do it or else let's not do it. And I respect
> your perspective. If people are ok to do the work to earn money how we do
> it that's great!!
>
> I think what you're describing is exactly what's happening. These grants
> will not keep it sketchy, it can't be.
>
> And for other examples, Maybe you are talking about the place in Aalborg
> denmark for example? And yes that would be the model. And yes it was the
> least interesting place to play.
>
> I can just do society stuff and leave grants alone. The grant im looking
> at is a new society grant for operating. We can keep them separate for sure!
>
> The reason grants require staffing is that grantors don't believe that
> projects are worth it to fund if they will fail or shut down. Their biggest
> assurance that we won't fail is to have someone paid to make sure it's
> running fine.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 28, 2015, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Lindsay in this one. I think we should talk about this in
>> the next meeting for a bit. If we start paying people the dynamics will
>> change and I don't know if I want that. I think it is important to keep the
>> space volunteered run. I don't want to be anybody's boss and also money
>> sucks. My idea of the space is to have a space away from capitalism and
>> government dynamics and closer to punk, DIY and autonomy. I am also really
>> ignorant in the grant subject, I have more questions than anything. I would
>> like to know what would need to be done by us in order to get the grants. I
>> am not familiar at all with this kinds of processes. Like for example, do
>> we have to be more legit or is just as simple as changing our legal name?
>> Do we have to put a lot of work in order to get them? Stuff like putting
>> exit signs, change or capacity, pay taxes, etc. Sorry for my ignorance, but
>> I want to keep the space as sketchy as possible and closer to the punk
>> community than to the government rules. I have been to many, many spaces
>> like ours in Europe, South and North America and the lamest spaces, the
>> least interesting ones are always the ones that get money from the
>> government. I am just scared that we stop being cool :)
>>
>> One last thing, thanks Anju for doing all this work!!! I just need to
>> read a bit more about the subject and hear what options do we have :P
>>
>> Excited!
>>
>> Rafael.
>>
>> 2015-02-25 17:21 GMT-08:00 Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I really don't like the idea of someone in the collective getting paid
>>> while everyone else doesn't because i feel like it puts differing values on
>>> our work, and we all work hard. Sorry Eris.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or if we could hire a maintenance person? That seems like the most
>>>> needed "staff" cost to be honest. And I don't think any of us would mind
>>>> getting paid for the time and energy we are putting into the space, either.
>>>> :)
>>>> Otherwise I don't care about taking money from anyone as long as the
>>>> stipulations are realistic, but I trust your judgement there. For example,
>>>> SBC just got $24,000 from the city, but it is exclusively for outside of
>>>> the building and an awning. Don't we still need to get our society status
>>>> sorted out before we can start accessing that stuff, though?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, please give me a job. Where else will I work?
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:37:10 -0800
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Blacklabcollective] Grants - input please!
>>>>> From: speers.megan at gmail.com
>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca
>>>>> CC: erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was gona suggest Eris as the staff person as well, since she's on
>>>>> part time at OCB right now? makes sense to me. And/or any other collective
>>>>> member that would have an interest in being a staff person, if anyone else
>>>>> has interest in that position. I think it'd be better to hire someone from
>>>>> the collective! since we all work our butts off itd be cool if at least one
>>>>> of us is getting paid! :)
>>>>> I am ok with any of the above grants, though I think we should avoid
>>>>> taking money from other DTES agencies, so maybe the city/province/canada/bc
>>>>> arts council stuff would be more priority to me as opposed to DTES cultural
>>>>> infrastructure grants.
>>>>> thanks again anju for your work on this, it's very stoking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Eris pass word is blacklabvancouver333
>>>>>
>>>>> you can make them :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Eris Nyx <erisnyx at hotmail.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would totally be willing to be the "staff member" or whatever if it
>>>>> means we get $$$.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also can someone make events for March's film nights:
>>>>> Wed March 11th - FILM NIGHT: Kids
>>>>> Wed March 25th - FILM NIGHT: Time is Illmatic
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> From: aanjusingh at gmail.com
>>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:39:47 -0800
>>>>> Subject: Grants - input please!
>>>>> To: blacklabcollective at lists.resist.ca; erisnyx at hotmail.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all, I haven't managed to add Eris to the list yet so please add
>>>>> her when you email about space stuff for now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want to know everyone's stand on grants. Talking to folks, it seems
>>>>> we are not agreed on whether we should apply for grants or not. Since
>>>>> writing grants is a shit load of work, i'll need to know where we stand on
>>>>> what types of grants we want to apply for and what you support me in
>>>>> writing for.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a good use of my time to keep asking back about specific
>>>>> grants, I'm quite busy, so it would be better for me to have direction and
>>>>> to check in on the basics and to go with it and apply. I just want to make
>>>>> sure I'm not applying for something and have it be rejected by the
>>>>> collective after i put work into it.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the grants i'm looking at requires that a portion of funds go
>>>>> to staffing. This means hiring a part- or full-time person to run the
>>>>> operating side of things. If we aren't interested in having a staff member,
>>>>> then I need to remove these grants from my list. Operating grants will
>>>>> never be successful if there is no paid staff to run it. In fact, FYI, many
>>>>> grants won't be successful without the grantor knowing that someone is
>>>>> being paid to ensure that the project is completed and successful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are my questions:
>>>>>
>>>>> -Do we want to hire someone (from our collective or not) to work on
>>>>> stuff at the space?
>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the city?
>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the province?
>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the DTES cultural infrastructure grants?
>>>>> -Do we want to take money from the Canada Council for the Arts and BC
>>>>> Council for the Arts?
>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for festivals?
>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for workshops?
>>>>> -Are we ok with asking for money for community support
>>>>> (training/resources, especially technology).
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Anju Singh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Anju Singh
>>>>>
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