[Blacklabcollective] cash money

Wed Aug 12 14:18:47 PDT 2015

Just got all of this as well. Thanks for writing the email Megan.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Leggo Sirens <sirensongs604 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do we have a formal policy on how we approach incidents like this? (Also
> hi from Wales to everyone at the lab!)
>
> If not, I would be interesting in discussing drafting one when I'm back.
> It would be cool to discuss in person(s) and not through emails.
>
> I've been keeping up with emails! Yall are doing such amazing work and are
> super dedicated awesome punx. Miss youse.
>
> xolegs
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 4:17 AM, Brendan Plummer <
> brendan.plummer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well,
>>
>> I just got all of these emails. I think everyone handled this well. If
>> this is the person I am thinking, I ought to have said something because I
>> think they were being sketchy during the Pleasure Leftists show as well (to
>> the extent that they seemed to have no sense of boundaries with the singer,
>> but I didn't see them grope or anything like that). So as someone who was
>> working security I should have been a bit more on this, my apologies.
>>
>> Anyways, thanks everyone for stepping up and being about this. I respect
>> it, thanks for doing the leg work/typing/confronting.
>>
>> Talk soon,
>>
>> B.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Lindsay Kasting <l.kasting86 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Totally. Good work. Hope the singer wasn't too bummed.
>>> On Aug 11, 2015 4:00 PM, "Anju Singh" <aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great! Thanks for handling it
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ahh, i already sent it off. but she also already responded with:
>>>>> Whoa! Sorry, I was blacked out pretty hard. Not that that's a good
>>>>> excuse or anything. It won't happen again.
>>>>>
>>>>> so that basically went as well as it could have.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> May I strongly suggest that you start with:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello, the following letter is from the black lab collective group.
>>>>>> Myself and Jakob are sending it on behalf of the collective and can be your
>>>>>> contact people if you have questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This makes it clear that you are expressing views from a group not
>>>>>> personally and therefore hopefully you two wouldn't be targeted if it gets
>>>>>> weird.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No worries if you don't want To do that though!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 11, 2015, Jakob Knudsen <jakob.is at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fine with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ugh ok i looked it up on facebook help or whatever and i guess you
>>>>>>> can only message people from a Page if they've messaged you first.
>>>>>>> annoying! soooo if everyone is cool with it we can just send it from our
>>>>>>> personal accounts as a group message from me and jakob?
>>>>>>> stoopid facebook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Jakob Knudsen <jakob.is at live.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This seems reasonable to me
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Megan Speers <speers.megan at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> here is the message i drafted... the beginning preamble may not be
>>>>>>>> necessary if we can figure out how to send a msg as black lab. lemme know
>>>>>>>> if there's anything anyone would like me to change! i know it's long but i
>>>>>>>> like to be thorough.... if anyone has ideas on how to be more succinct im
>>>>>>>> all ears hahah.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey! My name's Megan, and I help organize with the Black Lab. Jakob
>>>>>>>> is included in this message and is also a collective member who organizes
>>>>>>>> shows at Black Lab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're writing you this message because there were concerns over
>>>>>>>> some of your actions at the Institute and Pleasure Leftists show last
>>>>>>>> night. We saw that you went onto the stage numerous times during
>>>>>>>> Institute's set and were groping the singer of the band. There were also
>>>>>>>> complaints from other people at the show that you were making some people
>>>>>>>> feel uncomfortable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We would just like to clarify with you that touching people without
>>>>>>>> their explicit, ongoing consent is unacceptable within our venue space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That means that while you're in the Black Lab, please do not touch
>>>>>>>> people (whether they are performing or there to enjoy the show too) unless
>>>>>>>> everyone involved has verbally agreed to it and is stoked. We want everyone
>>>>>>>> to feel as safe as possible at our shows, and sexual assault (i.e. groping)
>>>>>>>> makes people feel unsafe. Please also respect that some people won't like
>>>>>>>> it if you are being very forward with them and may not feel comfortable
>>>>>>>> saying so. We ask you to try to be mindful of people's boundaries,
>>>>>>>> including unspoken body language cues that may be more subtle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Basically, if someone isn't enthusiastically telling you outright
>>>>>>>> that they are stoked on you touching them or flirting with them or
>>>>>>>> whatever, STOP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We welcome you to come to future shows at our space, but know that
>>>>>>>> if we see you doing similar things in the future, we will ask you to leave.
>>>>>>>> We are happy to talk to you via this message or in person at future shows
>>>>>>>> if you'd like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We also do have a formal safer spaces policy, which you can find
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>> http://theblacklabvancouver.tumblr.com/saferspaces
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for reading!
>>>>>>>> -megan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> fyi - its the not the same person from the red gate incident. good
>>>>>>>>> idea regarding sending it from the black lab facebook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique <
>>>>>>>>> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didnt see any of these, but Anthony and Jakob did told me about
>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> Rafael
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2015-08-11 13:41 GMT-07:00 Jakob Knudsen <jakob.is at live.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gotcha
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Anju Singh <aanjusingh at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the reason I'm asking is that Red Gate asked me to speak
>>>>>>>>>>> to someone about gropey behaviour/unwelcome sexual advances at shows and I
>>>>>>>>>>> know they were at the show last night.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:38 PM, Anju Singh <
>>>>>>>>>>> aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When/if you find out their name, can you please let us know?
>>>>>>>>>>>> For future reference it's good to keep tabs on people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jakob/Tara - all emails and info are confidential to this list
>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, until we have a plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Megan Speers <
>>>>>>>>>>>> speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok cool. yep that's fine, we can message them together for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and im glad that he wasn't feeling too awful. that really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sucked. glad he's somewhat ok.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Jakob Knudsen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jakob.is at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have their Facebook contact if you'd like to message them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> together? Or one or the other of us can message them. I spoke to Mose and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was ok, he was definitely uncomfortable but Said if he felt unsafe he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have stopped and asked fr some help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:18 PM, Megan Speers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speers.megan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haha jakob we totally sent those emails at the same time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if we can figure out a contact for this person i'd be glad to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have that conversation with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Jakob Knudsen <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jakob.is at live.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's one thing I'd like to address, someone at the show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was pretty drunk and during institutes set kept groping and hitting their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> singer, which put a lot of people on edge. I spoke to him after the set and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was uncomfortable but said it was ok and he didn't feel unsafe at any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point. I asked around to see if anyone was farmiliar with them and turns
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out they're new to the city. While I was asking around to see if anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knew them I got a few messages saying they approached others at the show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inappropriately, it could be worthwhile to reach out to them and explain
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> black lab policy in terms of that. Cera talked to them for a bit after the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show but said she couldn't tell if anything registered. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Brendan Plummer <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brendan.plummer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That was a very fun show! Good job everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Anju Singh <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aanjusingh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Awesome work everyone!!! thanks for your hard work and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effort!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anju
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Lindsay Kasting <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> l.kasting86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great work everyone, that was awesome. Such a fun gig. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2015 12:21 PM, "Rafael "Cabeza" Manrique" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cabezadevacarecs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Megan! Show went smooth thanks to the volunteers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the collective members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bar did well, and we even got a free flat by mistake :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a flat of beers left.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also place looks/smells clean. Thanks to everyone!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rafael.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-08-11 12:17 GMT-07:00 Megan Speers <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speers.megan at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hey all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just updated the money spreadsheet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show last night was killer, after costs we made about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $715. awesome, esp for a monday.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> megan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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